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Mark4-39 2 points ago +2 / -0

"Blessed is he who HAS NOT seen me, yet believes"

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Mark4-39 2 points ago +2 / -0

There is nothing in your link to support your claim at all. You'll have to explain your logic, because your claim does not necessarily follow from the etymology.

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Mark4-39 2 points ago +2 / -0

Ezekiel is challenging for sure. I think the one scenario of temple building is interpreted three ways

  1. Earthly temple, man made
  2. Earthly temple, God made
  3. Heavenly temple, God made

Perhaps God intends one scenario, but others interpret it as their duty to fulfill the only option they can?

The issue I'm running into is the prince in ch 46. who is offering sacrifices for himself and the people. Some say it's the Messiah (Jews and surprisingly some Christian commentaries), some say it's an earthly ruler during the millennia, some say it's the ruler in the 2nd temple era. So I don't think the temple can be heavenly since there are sacrifices offered for the sin of the people by their "prince" (not to be confused with preformed by) as well as for his own sins, and I don't see that fit the bill for Christ at all.

I dont think the temple is the 2nd temple either, as you mentioned the water, and really, the last verse of Ezekiel "The Lord is there" ... He wouldn't be there if He was sending Jesus?

Most importantly, why the sacrifices at all?

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Mark4-39 3 points ago +3 / -0

Yeah, this. Lol thanks... my knowledge of og Judaism is sadly limited to the past 6 months.

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Mark4-39 1 point ago +2 / -1

If they're building Baptist churches, head for the mountains! The world is definitely one stop from hell lol (sorry Baptists)

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Mark4-39 3 points ago +3 / -0

I copied from the website linked in the OP. Devout Jews don't pronounce Gods name. I think it may be a Talmud thing

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Mark4-39 3 points ago +3 / -0

You couldn't possibly know any such thing.

I assumed he meant like literally from Jesus while he was on earth?

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Mark4-39 4 points ago +4 / -0

I think this is a construction project we could all get behind. (The children of Israel accepting Christ

Absolutely.

Did you catch where they can't decide if they're supposed to build themselves or wait for the temple to come down from heaven?

Its pretty sad bc they can easily be duped if (when) someone shows up and resolves these material issues for them, only for the real deal to show up at the last minute.

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Mark4-39 2 points ago +2 / -0

Fascinating! Thanks for the honesty and information.

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Mark4-39 4 points ago +4 / -0

Hi new old face :)

Is the Holy Spirit all or nothing? Varying degrees? See my phrasing above

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Mark4-39 5 points ago +5 / -0

Is there a volume of Holy Spirit one can have? One might have a couple drops whereas someone else might have a liter. Of course, it might be evident by their fruits... how well watered are they?

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Mark4-39 4 points ago +4 / -0

Why would NDE preclude a judgement day? "It is appointed for men to die then face judgement". Judgement occurs at the end of this world's existence, not at the end of our material existence. God can justly judge humanity in a single day, since it as a thousand of our years to Him and vice versa. There's nothing that supports asking God to take you out of your eternal destination once the judgement has been made.

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Mark4-39 5 points ago +5 / -0

I don't know if this will help you, but here is a link of three tenses of salvation with components in an ongoing process. Its a bit long for copy pasta, but I hope you find it edifying differentiating where we have been, where we are now, and where we will be at the end:

https://biblehelpsinc.org/publication/the-three-tenses-of-salvation/

I agree with you that humility is useful, but if the Holy Spirit has been poured out in you through Christ for regeneration, then you can speak confidently of Him!

But when the kindness of God our Savior and His love for mankind appeared, He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit, whom He poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that being justified by His grace we would be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. This is a trustworthy statement; and concerning these things I want you to speak confidently, so that those who have believed God will be careful to engage in good deeds. These things are good and profitable for men. Titus 3:4‭-‬8 NASB1995

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Mark4-39 1 point ago +1 / -0

Sounds like the author is not a fan of catholics

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Mark4-39 2 points ago +2 / -0

He couldn't hack it in protestantism... what's further down the ignorance list.... oh, historical fiction? Why not

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Mark4-39 4 points ago +4 / -0

Despite my personal thoughts on modern priests, I think this scripture from Ezekiel rather speaks to your point:

Because they ministered to them before their idols and became a stumbling block of iniquity to the house of Israel, therefore I have sworn against them,” declares the Lord God, “that they shall bear the punishment for their iniquity. And they shall not come near to Me to serve as a priest to Me, nor come near to any of My holy things, to the things that are most holy; but they will bear their shame and their abominations which they have committed. Yet I will appoint them to keep charge of the house, of all its service and of all that shall be done in it. Ezekiel 44:12‭-‬14 NASB1995

God still had a use for the Levites, despite their personal failures in leading others wrongly (for which they don't seem to be forgiven?) Curious, does the church ever lean on this example for admonition?

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Mark4-39 3 points ago +3 / -0

Aha! Thank you for saving me the time. This was my exact first thought as well. Fear is the foundation, but we grow past it with being perfected in love. Your examples are great 👍

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Mark4-39 2 points ago +2 / -0

Ah! Welcome back friend. I had hoped it was you. :)

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Mark4-39 2 points ago +2 / -0

Thank you for the clarifications! When you say this

That last bit is only really an issue if you're Catholic

I would suggest it is also an issue for non-Catholics as well, as within it exists a primary barrier for many to joining the catholic church. Accusations of Donatism should be a badge of honor in this day and age, if one is that committed to upholding their virtue as a church officer to be a public witness to the true effects of the Holy Spirit in a man.

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Mark4-39 5 points ago +5 / -0

Welcome! I enjoyed your details on the church fathers thoughts on who the antichrist or Jewish messiah will be... I've been looking into what the Jews are looking for in their Messiah, so the OP is a timely addition.

A couple issues I question:

the Pope has always been the Vicar of Christ, simply a servant of the true Messiah,

When you say always, do you mean the office or the person? If the latter, would that not include antipopes? Curious whether sedevacantists agree that anticatholic behavior is allowable by and in the vicar of Christ? If not, then, 'always' has not occurred in the past and may not always occur in the future?

(I don't agree that the pope is THE Antichrist, but I do think there have been some popes whose behavior has been decidedly less than Christian. For me, ecumenical popes scratch the beast of the earth itch.... I don't see a huge difficulty in sliding down the slope of 'there are many paths to salvation' to the Jewish messiah 2.0 is one of them to get your "worship passport". All in the future, of course, where hypotheticals live easy.)

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Mark4-39 2 points ago +2 / -0

Excellent! Loved Shadrach and the gang reference

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Mark4-39 2 points ago +2 / -0

How can you say there is no being called the devil when one sentence earlier you accept the notion of a Satan?

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