Even in our camp, some are so brainwashed about drugs are bad that they knee jerk blame weed and shrooms while apparently forgetting the real horrors gutting civilization.
If you ban drugs, ban alcohol too because it is a drug, and it does the most harm of all drugs (receipts below). Otherwise stfu and make all drugs decriminalized and legalize cannabis and mushroooms (death sentence for trafficking meth, heroin, fentanyl, crack and zombie drugs); and make medical ketamine therapy insuranceable. Along with formal massage therapy.
According to the research, mushrooms on the other hand do the LEAST amount of harm.
The reasons for this are at least 2.
mushrooms are psychedelics, which do the least amount of physiological harm, though they might do psychological harm depending on the experience; they also have great medical benefits including anti-depression and anti-phobia (in the scientific literature referred to as 'fear tracing' reduction); all psychedelics stimulate new nerve growth and neuroplasticity meaning that they rewire the brain to create new personality opportunities and new ontological, epistemological perspectives
Mushrooms are not readily available. A good deal of the harm done by alcohol has to do with it being widely available and its use fully integrated into our culture
It shouldn't be banned but it shouldn't be regulated by the government. Who knows what is going into government regulated weed. All the people saying beer is bad because it gives guys bitch tits, it didn't use to until they started putting hops in it.
I absolutely despise poetry; it was the worst-selling section of the bookstore I managed in Manhattan. Most poets are gay which is just another reason for me to shit all over the genre.
I also have not worn anything remotely like a sandal since I was maybe five years old and that was 55 years ago.
I like to get high and work on carpentry projects and build model kits.
Smoked plenty no bitch tits, but that's because I lift 4 days a week. I do stupid shit drunk, but never high. I think weed is better then beer/alcohol especially because of the amount of useless calories alcohol has 7 empty cals per g. Not to mention the estrogen beer provides when you drink it. I'd be more inclined to say beer gives bitch tits not weed.
Those people would be stupid and lazy anyways.
Maybe I'm not the norm but I started smoking weed at 12 and I started my trade at 17, bought my first house at 19, remodeled the whole house over 7 years while working 60 hours a week, was a Jman by early 21 yrs old, trained in estimating and project management, bought another house and have just finished remodeling the whole house over the last 5 years. I could go on but I think the point is made.
The stupid and lazy trope is an old wives tale you tell children.
Drugs are bad, seen plenty of ruined lives by that. And the toll on society got pretty heavy when the drugaddiction scaled. It's like gay shit, no one cares when it's one guy in SF, but it's a problem when they market it on every corner to every kid and half the society goes to shit.
Not all drugs are the same. There are good drugs (mushrooms, medical ketamine) and there are bad drugs (meth, heroin, crack, fent, zombie drugs). Jury is out on cannabis. It's unharmful and helpful for some, say over 25. Harmful to those under (developing brain). The 'makes you lazy' argument doesn't hold water according to science. The 'gateway drug' doesn't hold water according to science. In fact it's an anti-gateway (gets you off opioids...which is why it's still federally illegal....the UK will not allow the US to stop protecting their global poppy market)
But if you let the government regulate it, it will be bad. I'm fine with shrooms but have you seen Cali lately? People have basically become zombies on drugs already, this won't help. The government doesn't care about our freedom but zombies are easy to control. Especially when the zombie drugs are pushed and regulated by the government. WAKE UP SHEEPLE!
Note the hyperbolic irrational personal attacks after a light-hearted comment from me. This loser is seeking only to draw me into an egoic response based on anger. This is because they are totally controlled by their own ego and think the same will work in reverse.
Such a person is not worth replying to. They are just another authoritarian faggot troll no different than the left. In fact, worse than the left, because they hide behind the message of freedom and liberty that Maga stands for.
It isn't authoritarian to not want kids exposed to drug use. If anyone here has an angry response it's you...and I'm not trying to egg you on. Listen. Weed and shrooms can easily lead to hard party drugs, which then can lead to cheap drugs because people run out of money but have an addiction to feed. It doesn't happen to everyone but it happens more than not.
Agree. Just like with anything, there's a lot of people on the internet with a lot of ideas about something they've never ever done in their entire lives. Many of us have done mushrooms in college for example. And we know. That is how we know
Direct experience is the best way to know something.
Dancing naked on the 405 is illegal already; and "protesters" are doing things like blocking highways without repercussions without being on mushrooms as is.
The ability to think critically is paramount bro; otherwise you find yourself saying dumb shit on the internet.
I do enjoy a beer a few times a year or a coffee on a Saturday morning. I don't think we should restrict at least natural drugs. Huffing and injecting man made chemicals is where I personally draw the line.
The idea that prostitution is only legal if there is a camera in the room is ridiculous. I don’t care if two dudes buttfuck each other, keep it away from kids. And if I wanna smoke pot and eat some shrooms around a campfire while listening to music, I should be able to. Both are completely natural and much, much, much less harmful than alcohol, which you’re making the womanly case to prohibit as well.
Our cities are the way they are because of an utter failure to prosecute actual crimes with real victims, not because we aren’t arresting enough people for possessing a house plant, because gay conservatives for some reason care about how I like to relax at the end of the day. Asshole.
Lol, so many people in here resort to the smoothest brained sophistry instead of rational argument...
You can have both legal drugs and restrictions on public use. Just like alchohol.
Fucking binary fundamentalist propaganda arguments like this that lack nuance and reduce everything to good/bad are a bigger problem than any of the crap you're hyperventilating about here.
So, by your logic, we need to outlaw masturbations, sex unless prescribed by a man of god strictly for procreation (because if not to make babies its just masturbation using someone elses body), holding hands or kissing in public (don't want to take a risk on it offending anyone like you), shaking your dick more than 3 times after you pee. And basically anything that shouldn't be seen in public. So you better get used to showering with you thes on...
So basically if you can't do it in public. You can't do it in private right?
Tell me again how you're different from a woke asshole? Or sharia law loving muzzie? You sound exactly like them both. Lol loser...
Why legalize it? Because we're a capitalist country, and the only thing prohibition does is create an unsafe black market and enrich criminals, instead of adding to the GDP.
Well, the same people trying to dictate what you put in your body are the same people who think that slicing perfectly healthy tissue off a baby boy’s penis is just fine, and should even be covered by insurance. They will downvote this, but none of them will argue with me about why circumcision is anything other than an old goatherders ritual, the dick preferences of their whore wives, or pure parental laziness. And they can’t tell you what hypospadias or phimosis is so the medical reasoning is bullshit.
I'm glad I was circumcized. Headless semen demons are ugly and dirty. I don't care if there's less sensitivity, sex already feels extremely good, I could only imagine my horniness with a more sensitive prick.
In a way, I agree. I'm never one to agree with any legislation which seeks to usurp individual liberty, etc. but the mindset behind things like this--these individual restrictions, I mean--is always that. In fact, it's what drove the Covid craziness: the moment you do anything which puts someone in jeopardy of their safety, you become an enemy.
And given how easy it can be today to conflate risk, it explains a lot. And sadly, I can understand where some people come from in some situations, like people who have their drivers license that we all know shouldn't have one.
But therein lies the principle in all of this: freedom comes with risk and until people in this country accept said risk, the freedoms will always be at risk of being taken away. That's why we're having so many problems with things like this, gun rights, operating vehicles, etc. That's all it is.
So many tyrannical god loving, baby Dick cutting conservatives that want more government showing their true colors.
I’m a marine vet, I own a half million dollar house, have a bachelors with honors, I’m in better shape than you, and I work two jobs and love smoking pot and eating shrooms when it’s time to relax (and fuck girls while doing it). Because alcohol kills you, and pot/shrooms don’t. Stay the fuck out of my life, commie faggot. Go circumcise your non-consenting baby boys some more.
I've done mushrooms half a dozen times, and not once did I ever have any desire to even leave the bedroom, nevermind go drive somewhere. Good shrooms affect your ability to walk, so you're not going anywhere.
Just rolled around naked with some females and watched silly movies.
^this is why they’re mad. They never got to roll around naked and giggling with girls. I’ve NEVER wanted to go out in public on shrooms. It also makes you think, a lot, and in ways you didn’t think before. How about less laws, less criminalization for possessing natural substances, less tyranny. But nope, conservatives prove once again why I lean way more toward anarchist than gay circumcising conservatism.
Agreed. I think people conflate conservatism with "social conservatism", and they really don't have much to do with each other. Using the government to "enforce morality" is what Leftists do. There is nothing immoral about using drugs in the first place. Inanimate objects don't have a morality.
Fine, but that doesn't mean the 7th time won't result in problems...
THE POINT, Mr. Mensa, is that nobody on Earth (who is inclined to perceive public safety as a prioritized virtue) is going to look at anyone doing shrooms--or any other fucking shit that can potentially cause problems to one's ability to do things without issue--and say, "Whelp, I guess that should be legalized!"
Shrooms don't cause problems. Ever. Also government has no place in the pharmaceutical industry. There is nothing in the Constitution that allows government of any level (federal, state, local) to ban inanimate objects, including chemicals, guns, or anything else.
You're just old and liberal. Probably haven't gotten laid in a while.
Drugs don't commit violence. People commit violence.
Edit: There is no such thing as "public safety". A free-market capitalist society makes no guarantees about risk. If you're so scared of chemicals that people have been using for thousands of years, then stay in your house like you do already.
Well by-golly, I guess that's the end of the debate!
There is nothing in the Constitution that allows government of any level (federal, state, local) to ban inanimate objects, including chemicals, guns, or anything else.
Awe, how cute! And I bet you're taking your first steps by now, too!
You're just old and liberal. Probably haven't gotten laid in a while.
With critical thinking skills like that, I can't imagine how proud your parents must be. I can only imagine the tears they shed once they learned of your GED award.
Or, you need to take less and dig your head out of your ass long enough to stop deep-throating your tonsils and understand the validity of the argument.
Just because you're Mother is a whore and enjoys having sexual relations with black men for crack cocaine, don't be mad at me you little TROON FAGGOT!!!!
Yea, YOUR A TROON FAGGOT!!!! YOU DICK SUCKING FAGGOT!!! YOUR MOTHER SUCKS DICK FOR CRACK COCAINE YOU FAGGOT!!!! ALL TROONS LIKE YOU ARE JUST POS LOSERS, NOTHING MORE, FUCKING FAGGOT.
I'd hire one of your TROOON COMRADES 100 bucks to FUCK YOUR FAGGOT ASS IN YOUR "HOTDOG DOWN A HALLWAY ASSHOLE", AND AT THE END OF THAT 12IN FAGGOT TROOONS DILDO WOULD BE A SWASTIKA, BECAUSE YOUR A FUCKING FAGGOT.
As someone into nondual spirituality, when certain psychedelics or pot are used in conjunction with the right spiritual teachings and practices, they open doorways in the mind that really does lead to beneficial changes.
Someone who smokes pot or takes shrooms isn't a druggie. I got news for you straight edge, most people dabble in a little doobage now and then and you never know it because it literally causes no harm to anyone. Those "druggies" you speak of are just lost souls experiencing other problems that they try to medicate with said drugs.
Maybe they started with herbs or shrooms? Sure. Those are generally safe and easier to get so they start there. But it doesn't fix the problem, it just helps with the symptoms. And then they move on to harder shit because instead of getting help they just self-medicate themselves into degeneracy and dependency.
Same story with any abused drug like alcohol. In fact, why not do the same thing for booze?
I know a ton of people who use Cannabis recreationally a few times a month who are thriving. But everyone I know who uses booze as much as these pot smokers use weed are drunk idiots with majorly dysfunctional lives.
A couple of puffs on a J makes you feel good with virtually no real side effects. Compared to booze getting the same buzz does a lot of damage and gets you closer to addiction and serious dysfunction each time.
So, are your "druggie friends" pot or shroom users who fell off the wagon? Maybe, but correlation does not equal causation. You are parroting the lies of the war on drugs when what we should have had was a war on mental disease. Not by giving everyone bullshit psyche chems that make em worse, but get them real help.
Weed doesn't make you a druggie, but druggies do use weed. But they also drive, and drink, and do all the other stuff you do too.
Maybe we should put the state in control over everything just to be sure?
LOL, you live in a straight-edge bubble and accuse me of being in one my dood.
I promise you more than 60% of the people you interact with on a daily basis are pot smokers at least on occasion and they are totally fine.
Nothing is being turned loose that isn't already turned loose for 10000 years already.
The idea that somehow Pot just became this thing people started using in the 60s is BS and that everyone was some straight-edge conservative before that is bullshit.
You sound like a gun grabber BTW do you know that? SMDH Our side has just as many authoritarian assholes in it as the other one does... Sad.
Did you know nondualism fits perfectly fine into many different forms of Christianity? Do you even know what nondualism means without looking it up? Did you know it's not unique to any specific religion? It's a metaphysical philosophy that also exists in Christian traditions as well.
Ok boomer. Try not not to sound like an ignorant old man next time. Shockingly, every conservative or Trump supporter is not a crusty old faggot like yourself
I don't think it's a good idea to fully legalize it, but def decriminalize ALL drugs
meaning you don't go to jail for possessing it, but you cannot acquire it legally
meaning also, if you want it, you can grow it for yourself only
I think this is the way
I think with mushrooms, and all psychedelics, there needs to be a custom--rites rituals to integrate it over time into our culture. Meaning at first, you should have to go a person who is certified to do it. And the certification process is peer to peer, not controlled by the government; or some 'board' authority....but rather you just have to find 2 or 3 people to sponsor you and verify / vouch that you know how to administer a psychedelic 'sit'. There need to be unaltered 'sitters' who just make sure you're safe. That you're in a safe enviornment. That will accept 'emergency calls' from friends, family while you are altered, and can make good decisions on what to say and how to handle it. That have your emergency contacts. That know where the hospital is, how long to get there, and how to get you there safely. That know how to talk you down from going into a dark place. That can handle creature comforts and know how to clean you up if you soil yourself (lots of throwing up involved with psychedelics because of how they cause vertigo)
It interferes with your ability to think...it's like it starts a timer for about 7 seconds and when that timer is done, whatever you were thinking...that's gone
It's beyond worthless. Also feels 'godless'... a deep sense of existential emptiness, and you can only get back a feeling of belonging, ironically with ketamine
Mushrooms however is kaleidescopic geomety and remote viewing places and things that may or may not exist in this dimension
LSD is way more visual. Shrooms is way more introspective. At least that’s how I, and many others, have experienced both. But the cons here will drink their beer and whiskey from their ivory towers and shit on people who prefer natural substances. See you on the hepatobilliary floor in a few years!
"There's no such thing as a good drug or a bad drug. There's this chemical that's neither good nor bad, it just exists, we either created it or it exists in nature... it's the relationship that humans have with the substance that is the issue.” – Dr. Drew Pinsky
I microdose psilocybin. Physician said she couldn’t prescribe me a higher dosage of anti-depressants, I was topped out. I thought microdosing was bullshit until I tried it. Cut my medication dose by half every six weeks. Been off em for almost two years now.
Like I said, I always heard about microdosing for depression and I was like, oho okay! Because all I knew was the recreational aspect of them (from experience). At a low dose, it has no effect on my vision - no distortion - it elevates my mood and keeps me from dwelling on the past (anger, regret) and the future (anxiety, stress).
What kind of control do you think people need? Psilocybin isn't a drug that people tend to habitually abuse, for a number of different reasons, at the recreational dose level. So, what do you think would happen at the therapeutic level? And what do you think the first thing a doctor will prescribe you if you have depression? I bet it will be an SSRI.
Exactly. Especially after the latest research showing there is absolutely no link between serotonin and depression.
I just tried micro dosing recently. It's like taking the best, most calming caffeine... I know, opposites when saying calming and caffeine, but that's the best way to describe. You can focus better, motivated, think faster, etc. Without the jittery energy caffeine would give.
Especially considering you can get that psilocybin yourself, from your closet, grown in rye seed. Totally natural. But no, go drink booze and take adderall 🙄 the circumcisers are at it again
The left can have their mushrooms when they fix the meth epidemic that their soft on crime, soft on border, soft on drugs attitudes have caused?
One catch, their solution must not require us tax payers to support these brain damaged drug addicts. We have enough parasite classes to deal with already.
Or how about me being able to grow my own weed and mushrooms and use them in my own home without you or the government having any involvement whatsoever?
I haven't opened any floodgates, you loon. I simply don't want to be arrested for doing what I want to do on my property, in a way that neither harms nor involves anyone else. And for that you tell me I should be drowned to death? Good lord, get some perspective.
Sure. Pot use increases risk of schizophrenia by a factor of 6. Proven.
Best stuff since sliced bread though, yeah?
I know lots of people smoke the shit out of that stuff and do fine but dont lie and say that there are no victims.
Good a nuanced take. Not just a WEED GOOD/WEED BAD. Take. Updoot from me.
But also one man's schizophrenia is another man's spiritual experience... Keep that in mind.
Schizophrenia isn't considered a mental illness in itself, only when it reaches pathological levels. So seeing a little weird shit in your peripheral vision or hearing the occasional whisper when no one is around?
Meh... I don't think that's the weed's fault. Maybe weed just opens us up to things we might normally not notice?
Just something to think about around the campfire after you pass the J a few times.
And that is really the biggest risk of the devil's lettuce... Someone might mellow out and think about shit for a change and not just be a reactionary shithead.
Lol way to prove his point. Weed and shrooms have never been shown to cause any type of brain damage in adults. Not even close. How about we stop giving liver transplants to alcohol users? I mean, the government surely wouldn’t make something safe illegal, and something dangerous legal. The government is honest. 🙄
Great. Send me your address and ill send you the medical bills of my family member whose brain was DESTROYED by meth.
Im so happy to know that you can fix him considering that nobody else can.
Btw….watch your back around him. He is psychotic and is apt to murder you when his paranoia kicks in or when he wants to go buy more meth.
I am NOT kidding or exaggerating. This is real.
He cant / won’t work. Listens to nobody. Cant even keep a pair of shoes without “losing” them somewhere. All he wants is a place to sleep and money from family to support his drug habit while he gets crazier and crazier. He refuses rehab because he wants the drugs.
And dumb fuck lefties make sure that he has no trouble getting his hands on them.
On what planet is the situation you're describing anyone's fault but his? You want the government to lock up all the 'dangerous' stuff so your family member can be "safe" from himself? Give me a fucking break.
How about this: Legalize the drugs, cut this guy off, and then he can work and legally buy safe meth from CVS? Dismantle the welfare state so this dude would have to go to private charity instead of getting government handouts. Private charity (churches) wouldn't put up with it, most likely. Problem solved. He's either clean, or responsibly using non-adulterated substances, supporting capitalism and working.
Thanks to his decisions. Let’s not blame inanimate objects for people’s decisions. Feel like this is how we all feel when guns come up, but once it’s drugs, the conservatives we all fucking hate coke out of the woodwork to tell us how to live. Then they drink booze and get fat while I smoke pot, eat shrooms and stay in shape with my beautiful healthy liver.
Tell you what, perhaps you should listen to those who suffer this before just assuming you have all the rosey pipe-dream (pun intended) answers?
He has a family of responsible professionals (some liberal doctors, some conservative actuaries). All of us would willingly throw the switch on the electric chair now if there was a drug dealer sitting in it.
But you are the smart one who singularly possesses the moral high ground. Am I right? You lefties are unbelievably naïve.
I was a heroin addict. Shrooms helped me quit. Not doing them every day, but a single trip where I sat and thought and cried, and realized what I was doing. 🤷🏻♂️
Leftie? I'm not the one advocating for more government.
btw, i've done meth. it doesnt make you do the things you're describing. your family member is dealing with something else entirely, and you're too dumb to see anything past him using a substance you know nothing about.
Grow the fuck up, commie. Government doesn't create culture. This isn't China.
Kind of funny. Ran into a guy a few eeeks ago who likes pills. Oxy and valium in particular. Listen to the idiot talk and he speaks like he thinks hes a fucking pharmacist or something. He just an hvac tech pill junkie.
Wonder if Sid Barrett or the rest of Pink Fliyd would agree with your medical take on psycho active drugs. I doubt it,
And they are all dumb. Glad I'm not alone on this site when it comes to not being a boomer fudd who still thinks things like natural medicines are literally the devil like Crack and fentanyl. The war on drugs was one of the ways these deep state fucks got us into all this shit.
Shrooms bust some people out of their NPC mentality, even if only temporarily, others just giggle alot. I've seen all kinds of people react to shrooms, but none of the crazy hallucination stories alot ignorant people associate with shrooms.
It's true they aren't for everyone at just any time though. An unstable person in a strange environment on shrooms is generally not gonna have a good time. Lol
Back when I did things like that, mushrooms sent me to another planet, however the people who were around me said I was just sitting there quiet like nothing was going on.
True that! I'm mainly only smoking weed on the occasional weekend adventure, or when I want to go DEEEEEEEP in meditation. (combine meditation techniques with weed and you will go places). But that too has the ability to help with all kinds of mental issues and see the world in clear ways. And don't get me started on how CBD can help those with anxiety.
BINGO. Even if people on here frown on weed and shrooms, fuck em, The war on drugs brought no benefit to this country at all whatsoever, all it did was make the elites more powerful and rich from cartel buyoffs.
It's also a great way to start endless false race narratives as well. Considering the Marihuana Tax Act of 1937, which is generally regarded as the beginning of the modern Drug War, was sponsored, pushed, and implemented by a died-in-the-wool DEMOCRAT, the puzzle starts to fit together..
I mean, micro dosing has been shown to help a lot of people, including people with PTSD. And who the fuck are you to tell me what I can do with my brain? If I want to take an introspective trip, I will. Shit helped me get off heroin.
You literally have no idea what you are talking about and are stating that as if it's established fact. Tangy Tangerine doesn't make you jacked kido. And shrooms don't make you worship the devil.
Nobody is forcing you to try them. Stop acting like a democrat trying to control everyone.
to them weed is worse than meth, you see ALOT of these boomers used to pop white crosses to work insane hours trucking or in the oil field. Now they just bitch and moan that all their kids who won't do drugs like they did to work 30 straight hours are "lazy".
You dont even have to go that deep into walmart, you can get them at the bus stop on the way to walmart, or on the busses themselves, in the parking lots of walgreens, at the municipal libraries while you wait for the bus... And you can probably get some free second hand fenty smoke with all the other children who are waiting to get stabbed and attacked.
Don't forget, don't call the cops if they are black though, that would be racist and the y will hunt you down to get you fired and lose your constitutional right to pursue happiness....
I think a lot of people here could benefit from plant medicine. They are legal to get spores online and easy to grow. Two or three the size of your finger is sufficient, best of luck
Soma was much more likely opium, rather than psychedelics
Psychedelics create anti-establishmentarians like no other drug...they wake you up and make you ask questions. That is why the governments of the world are against psychedelics more than any other class of drug
Opioids are a favorite of the governments.
That's why they are the ones
Growing the opoids (afghanistan/pakistan (prev. vietnam) -> china -> (via nato) -> mexico -> usa);
Protecting the opioids (marines in afghanistan);
Distributing the opioids (dea, fbi via cartels and gangs they control);
And then Fortifying the opioids by hooking the middle class (pharma companies including veterinarian pharma--> repilling animal drugs into fake pharma pills)
So please keep making ignorant comments that suggest you don't really understand the big club and how you ain't in it
Ok legalize EVERYTHING but get rid of ALL welfare. If you are so stoned or brain damaged you cannot work and you don’t have friends to leach off of then nature will take care of the issue. If you rob or cause harm to others you are moved to an island in the pacific and left to figure it out. Move in a bunch of hogs to help reduce the refuse and compost the remains.
Meh, I'm in favor of legalizing drugs because I love freedom. Having legitimet busineses selling products takes money and power away from black market cartels which have much worse effects on society. If drug users commit other crimes, arrest them for that.
I had to read that like 5 times to figure out how you squared that circle. Me doing shrooms has nothing to do with your freedoms. You wanting them illegal does interfere with mine. Pedophiles hurt children. Circumcision also hurts children. I think both pedos and baby mutilators should be treated the same. “But muh god said” fuck off.
Say goodbye to booze. But wouldn’t wanna take beer away from the fat rednecks who hate hippies then distort their liver. I would see them on my floor waiting for their new livers all the time. Maybe we should stop giving alcohol abusers new livers?
They know they fucked up when they canceled all entertainment so they need a way to draw people back into addictions so they remain docile. In the past few years they legalized weed, gambling, recreational drug use and decriminalized all of it. What do they all have in common? Enjoy yourself, don't worry about reality.
In some ways interval drug use is worse than recreational use. Reminds me of prescription pain killer addiction, you HAVE to have your pill at the allotted time. I know there are many just for fun shroom users, but if you regularly take them, restraint for pleasure does not mean you're in control.
You missed the whole point. Psychedelics cannot be taken regularly - even once every other day is too much and it become aversive enough to inhibit the consumption. Psychedelics are the exception to the rule, only comparable to other drugs by contrast, not similarity.
What harm? Alcohol is a fucking scourge on society, but no one here wants it prohibited. Tried that once. Didn’t go well. What the fuck even is “society?” I’m me. An individual. I could give a fuck what society wants or thinks. Go read some Ayn Rand and come back to me.
Lol if cons who never get invited to parties know how prevalent cocaine is… and most of these people drink alcohol without realizing it’s more dangerous than weed, shrooms or coke. Both for you and the people around you.
The reason drugs are needed in the first place is because the progressive Commies have engineer at our society to be a consumer slave society, not a producer ag and trade society so instead of working to chop wood, carry water plan for the winter, plant garden, can food hunt food, cultivate, we sit in front of computers in front of the blue screen that’s mesmerizing everybody and are given vouchers to go get food and fuel to get to our jobs so drugs are needed because nobody gets any exercise. We’re not doing what humans were supposed to do and it’s completely messed up in my humble opinion.
Good. One of the few things I actually agree with these pukes about is the war on drugs. You wanna ban designer drugs like cocaine, fentanyl, etc, I get that, those things are poison and kill and ruin millions of lives a year. I still say decriminalize or otherwise legalize and regulate it like booze or smokes as that will end the black market trade. Which BTW is a much bigger problem than the drugs themselves, and part of the reason the deep state wants open borders. The cartels love that shit.
But pot? 99% if not 100% of popular psychedelics like ayahuasca, shrooms, or peyote? No more dangerous and harmful than booze, and in fact LESS dangerous with legit health and spiritual benefits! And all of which are less addictive, or entirely nonaddictive.
So let's not be pearl-clutching ninnies on this one.
Fuck CA though, we all know they are doing this for the wrong reasons.
Lol the Christian cons here are the epitome of pearl clutching Nannie’s. They want to dictate what we do with our own bodies, then turn around and hack off their infants foreskin. True clown world nonsense.
Oh for real. I for one do stand with them against the unjust persecution the NWO is subjecting them to. But the attitudes from these people here are exactly why the NWO has such an advantage over them in terms of waking up the Normies to the truth.
A bunch of bible thumping t totalers judging everyone for minor shit like this and trying to control people are no different in my mind than a woke moron judging everyone.
And let's be honest, most of these pearl clutchers are sinful vice fuelled rejects too, they just think their shit doesn't stink cuz they can quote the bible.
Hey man its only a little bit weed...
Hey man its only a mushroom...
Hey man its only...
The slippery slope continues. Granted shrooms are not the worst drug out there. Hell it might even have some legit benefits though its not well researched. It's the slow erosion to eventually get what they want which is full legalization of all drugs and a state controlled distribution and taxing of said drugs that bothers me.
The Libertarian in me says, it's okay, whatever, just keep it out of the hands of children and retards and don't do it in public.
The disgusted independent who's sick of waiting two weeks for nothing to happen knows they'll just use legal mushrooms to somehow fuck over everyone just that much more and make them perfectly content with being fucked over.
As a moderate weed user, weed is nowhere NEAR as big a problem as booze is. I'm not in favor of prohibition for booze either, but if I had a gun to my head, I'd criminalize booze before weed.
Legalise all drugs and treat them like alcohol; establishments have to have a licence to sell them, the government gets more tax revenue, and it takes money and power away from criminal gangs. Before anyone says "no-one should be doing these drugs anyway" these drugs are not currently legal and people are still doing them, so the current strategy is not working.
If people want to do these drugs, they should be able to do them in a safe and legal manner. You don't want to do these drugs? Great, then continue to not do them.
I love when the government "legalizes" one of God's creations after having declared the growing of it "illegal". You can't legalize a plant or a mushroom anymore than you can legalize the sun coming up.
My worry about psychedelics is the usage of them for faux-spirituality. They don’t seem to have the same addictive qualities as other drugs (though to say they aren’t addictive is also false).
The “spirituality” of drugs is a fake consumer spirituality.
hmm, I do mushroom drinks, take some lions mane pills, they are good for you. I quit drinking and am a better person, so wtf enough bills and laws, do what makes you happy within your own
its none of your fucking business what kind of mushrooms i like to eat.
Even in our camp, some are so brainwashed about drugs are bad that they knee jerk blame weed and shrooms while apparently forgetting the real horrors gutting civilization.
So? Beer makes people stupid and violent.
THIS
If you ban drugs, ban alcohol too because it is a drug, and it does the most harm of all drugs (receipts below). Otherwise stfu and make all drugs decriminalized and legalize cannabis and mushroooms (death sentence for trafficking meth, heroin, fentanyl, crack and zombie drugs); and make medical ketamine therapy insuranceable. Along with formal massage therapy.
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Harm-comparison-between-alcohol-and-other-drugs-Source-Nutt-et-al-2010_fig3_277013502
According to the research, mushrooms on the other hand do the LEAST amount of harm.
The reasons for this are at least 2.
mushrooms are psychedelics, which do the least amount of physiological harm, though they might do psychological harm depending on the experience; they also have great medical benefits including anti-depression and anti-phobia (in the scientific literature referred to as 'fear tracing' reduction); all psychedelics stimulate new nerve growth and neuroplasticity meaning that they rewire the brain to create new personality opportunities and new ontological, epistemological perspectives
Mushrooms are not readily available. A good deal of the harm done by alcohol has to do with it being widely available and its use fully integrated into our culture
Yuh. Lost 4 frens to booze. 0 to weed. It did make a few of them sloths tho
It shouldn't be banned but it shouldn't be regulated by the government. Who knows what is going into government regulated weed. All the people saying beer is bad because it gives guys bitch tits, it didn't use to until they started putting hops in it.
I just want to drink a beer and smoke some weed a few times a year without some moral busybody saying I should go to prison for it.
You wanna read poetry and wear sandals with socks, move to Holland
I absolutely despise poetry; it was the worst-selling section of the bookstore I managed in Manhattan. Most poets are gay which is just another reason for me to shit all over the genre.
I also have not worn anything remotely like a sandal since I was maybe five years old and that was 55 years ago.
I like to get high and work on carpentry projects and build model kits.
Even jesus made wine
No one cares about your bitch tits bro, I smoke plenty of weed and don't have bitch tits.
Smoked plenty no bitch tits, but that's because I lift 4 days a week. I do stupid shit drunk, but never high. I think weed is better then beer/alcohol especially because of the amount of useless calories alcohol has 7 empty cals per g. Not to mention the estrogen beer provides when you drink it. I'd be more inclined to say beer gives bitch tits not weed.
Wrong.
Been smoking daily for over 30 years. Still have normal pecs. Stop believing everything you read on the internet.
Yes, weed makes people lazy and depressed. But it's a sacred cow nowadays. I welcome your down votes
Meanwhile I keep pulling down six figures a year and blaze 3 bowls a night when the shift is up - happy as can be
No you don't, pothead.
BUt rEFfer makES yOu BAdd! AnD sTOopiD, dUh.
Thats the hops in beer.
Fight me.
Drugs are not "why these problems exist."
Subverters are. This is deliberate. Drugs are only one tool they've used, among MANY.
Those people would be stupid and lazy anyways. Maybe I'm not the norm but I started smoking weed at 12 and I started my trade at 17, bought my first house at 19, remodeled the whole house over 7 years while working 60 hours a week, was a Jman by early 21 yrs old, trained in estimating and project management, bought another house and have just finished remodeling the whole house over the last 5 years. I could go on but I think the point is made. The stupid and lazy trope is an old wives tale you tell children.
You’ve found all sorts of creative ways to say “I’m a fucking idiot” without actually saying the words.
Free government money is the worst and most addictive drug, and everyone directly suffers for it.
Drugs are bad, seen plenty of ruined lives by that. And the toll on society got pretty heavy when the drugaddiction scaled. It's like gay shit, no one cares when it's one guy in SF, but it's a problem when they market it on every corner to every kid and half the society goes to shit.
Not all drugs are the same. There are good drugs (mushrooms, medical ketamine) and there are bad drugs (meth, heroin, crack, fent, zombie drugs). Jury is out on cannabis. It's unharmful and helpful for some, say over 25. Harmful to those under (developing brain). The 'makes you lazy' argument doesn't hold water according to science. The 'gateway drug' doesn't hold water according to science. In fact it's an anti-gateway (gets you off opioids...which is why it's still federally illegal....the UK will not allow the US to stop protecting their global poppy market)
But if you let the government regulate it, it will be bad. I'm fine with shrooms but have you seen Cali lately? People have basically become zombies on drugs already, this won't help. The government doesn't care about our freedom but zombies are easy to control. Especially when the zombie drugs are pushed and regulated by the government. WAKE UP SHEEPLE!
Street Zombies in Philly. Case closed.
And of course it's the driver who made all the bad lifestyle choices. /s
This is the kind of diversity CA needs, lol
The open air sanitarium will be even more entertaining. Didn't Schwarzenegger make a movie about Bakersfield?
Look, people can do dumb shit on shrooms no question, but they aren't dancing naked on the 405 cuz of shrooms. That's other shit.
Lol go watch some more DARE you dork faggot
Strange. Never happened to me. Maybe you are doing it wrong?
Note the hyperbolic irrational personal attacks after a light-hearted comment from me. This loser is seeking only to draw me into an egoic response based on anger. This is because they are totally controlled by their own ego and think the same will work in reverse.
Such a person is not worth replying to. They are just another authoritarian faggot troll no different than the left. In fact, worse than the left, because they hide behind the message of freedom and liberty that Maga stands for.
Blocked...
It isn't authoritarian to not want kids exposed to drug use. If anyone here has an angry response it's you...and I'm not trying to egg you on. Listen. Weed and shrooms can easily lead to hard party drugs, which then can lead to cheap drugs because people run out of money but have an addiction to feed. It doesn't happen to everyone but it happens more than not.
Agree. Just like with anything, there's a lot of people on the internet with a lot of ideas about something they've never ever done in their entire lives. Many of us have done mushrooms in college for example. And we know. That is how we know
Direct experience is the best way to know something.
youre thinking of pcp.
mushrooms in particular give you body hallucinations, so you won't be dancing at all anywhere most likely.
Shrooms does not interfere with your judgment like alcohol does
Shrooms are not deliriants.
They are psychedelics. Which means when things get intense, you tend to find a safe spot and fetal up and ride it out.
If you're chimping out, then it's not 'just mushrooms' but adulterated
No, you're full of shit.
show me one example of someone eating shrooms and completely losing their mind and ending up anywhere in public naked.
So two guys made out and a Democrat voter was punched. Nothing of value was lost.
Also, you believe the media apparently, which is the real story here.
lying cuntface.
Liar liar
Dancing naked on the 405 is illegal already; and "protesters" are doing things like blocking highways without repercussions without being on mushrooms as is.
The ability to think critically is paramount bro; otherwise you find yourself saying dumb shit on the internet.
Dancing in the 405 on shrooms puts new meaning to the word mush in mushrooms.
True.
But also, simultaneously, drugs are for ugly weird fags and smelly street freaks, 99% of the time.
I do enjoy a beer a few times a year or a coffee on a Saturday morning. I don't think we should restrict at least natural drugs. Huffing and injecting man made chemicals is where I personally draw the line.
and faggots cry freedom and then concern themselves with what other people are doing in private.
You think THOSE are the reasons cities are dangerous? I have a bridge in NYC for sale, bro
She can.
They can.
He/she can.
The idea that prostitution is only legal if there is a camera in the room is ridiculous. I don’t care if two dudes buttfuck each other, keep it away from kids. And if I wanna smoke pot and eat some shrooms around a campfire while listening to music, I should be able to. Both are completely natural and much, much, much less harmful than alcohol, which you’re making the womanly case to prohibit as well.
Our cities are the way they are because of an utter failure to prosecute actual crimes with real victims, not because we aren’t arresting enough people for possessing a house plant, because gay conservatives for some reason care about how I like to relax at the end of the day. Asshole.
Lol, so many people in here resort to the smoothest brained sophistry instead of rational argument...
You can have both legal drugs and restrictions on public use. Just like alchohol.
Fucking binary fundamentalist propaganda arguments like this that lack nuance and reduce everything to good/bad are a bigger problem than any of the crap you're hyperventilating about here.
So, by your logic, we need to outlaw masturbations, sex unless prescribed by a man of god strictly for procreation (because if not to make babies its just masturbation using someone elses body), holding hands or kissing in public (don't want to take a risk on it offending anyone like you), shaking your dick more than 3 times after you pee. And basically anything that shouldn't be seen in public. So you better get used to showering with you thes on...
So basically if you can't do it in public. You can't do it in private right?
Tell me again how you're different from a woke asshole? Or sharia law loving muzzie? You sound exactly like them both. Lol loser...
Why legalize it? Because we're a capitalist country, and the only thing prohibition does is create an unsafe black market and enrich criminals, instead of adding to the GDP.
fuck your mothers cunt bloody this shits my fault. asshole.
you wouldnt say that to my face you slanderous cunt.
This isn't China, bro. We don't use the government to regulate culture here.
That's my view. Government has no role here. They need to get out.
Yep. I can't understand why conservatives still hold some retarded antiquated views.
I don't care if you drink wine and stale crackers and believe you're consuming the body and blood of Christ. Why do they care if I eat some mushrooms?
I think our side could steal a bunch of voters if they didn't have 1930s views on drugs.
Well, the same people trying to dictate what you put in your body are the same people who think that slicing perfectly healthy tissue off a baby boy’s penis is just fine, and should even be covered by insurance. They will downvote this, but none of them will argue with me about why circumcision is anything other than an old goatherders ritual, the dick preferences of their whore wives, or pure parental laziness. And they can’t tell you what hypospadias or phimosis is so the medical reasoning is bullshit.
I'm glad I was circumcized. Headless semen demons are ugly and dirty. I don't care if there's less sensitivity, sex already feels extremely good, I could only imagine my horniness with a more sensitive prick.
Except that you can never be trusted to eat mushrooms responsibly. Sooner or later, you'll be out on the road fucking shit up or killing someone.
ridiculous.
In a way, I agree. I'm never one to agree with any legislation which seeks to usurp individual liberty, etc. but the mindset behind things like this--these individual restrictions, I mean--is always that. In fact, it's what drove the Covid craziness: the moment you do anything which puts someone in jeopardy of their safety, you become an enemy.
And given how easy it can be today to conflate risk, it explains a lot. And sadly, I can understand where some people come from in some situations, like people who have their drivers license that we all know shouldn't have one.
But therein lies the principle in all of this: freedom comes with risk and until people in this country accept said risk, the freedoms will always be at risk of being taken away. That's why we're having so many problems with things like this, gun rights, operating vehicles, etc. That's all it is.
So many degenerate druggie faggots crawling out of the woodwork.
So many tyrannical god loving, baby Dick cutting conservatives that want more government showing their true colors.
I’m a marine vet, I own a half million dollar house, have a bachelors with honors, I’m in better shape than you, and I work two jobs and love smoking pot and eating shrooms when it’s time to relax (and fuck girls while doing it). Because alcohol kills you, and pot/shrooms don’t. Stay the fuck out of my life, commie faggot. Go circumcise your non-consenting baby boys some more.
Based. Thank you for your service.
"Do as thou will", degenerate faggot.
You sound like a muslim.
"Do as thou will", hedonistic faggot.
I've done mushrooms half a dozen times, and not once did I ever have any desire to even leave the bedroom, nevermind go drive somewhere. Good shrooms affect your ability to walk, so you're not going anywhere.
Just rolled around naked with some females and watched silly movies.
^this is why they’re mad. They never got to roll around naked and giggling with girls. I’ve NEVER wanted to go out in public on shrooms. It also makes you think, a lot, and in ways you didn’t think before. How about less laws, less criminalization for possessing natural substances, less tyranny. But nope, conservatives prove once again why I lean way more toward anarchist than gay circumcising conservatism.
Agreed. I think people conflate conservatism with "social conservatism", and they really don't have much to do with each other. Using the government to "enforce morality" is what Leftists do. There is nothing immoral about using drugs in the first place. Inanimate objects don't have a morality.
This comment is fucking on poooiiinnntttt!
Fine, but that doesn't mean the 7th time won't result in problems...
THE POINT, Mr. Mensa, is that nobody on Earth (who is inclined to perceive public safety as a prioritized virtue) is going to look at anyone doing shrooms--or any other fucking shit that can potentially cause problems to one's ability to do things without issue--and say, "Whelp, I guess that should be legalized!"
Shrooms don't cause problems. Ever. Also government has no place in the pharmaceutical industry. There is nothing in the Constitution that allows government of any level (federal, state, local) to ban inanimate objects, including chemicals, guns, or anything else.
You're just old and liberal. Probably haven't gotten laid in a while.
Drugs don't commit violence. People commit violence.
Edit: There is no such thing as "public safety". A free-market capitalist society makes no guarantees about risk. If you're so scared of chemicals that people have been using for thousands of years, then stay in your house like you do already.
Well by-golly, I guess that's the end of the debate!
Awe, how cute! And I bet you're taking your first steps by now, too!
With critical thinking skills like that, I can't imagine how proud your parents must be. I can only imagine the tears they shed once they learned of your GED award.
I can keep replying as well.
Yet, only one remains worth reading. :.)
That's absurd bro. You need to take some shrooms.
Or, you need to take less and dig your head out of your ass long enough to stop deep-throating your tonsils and understand the validity of the argument.
Just because you're Mother is a whore and enjoys having sexual relations with black men for crack cocaine, don't be mad at me you little TROON FAGGOT!!!!
Yea, YOUR A TROON FAGGOT!!!! YOU DICK SUCKING FAGGOT!!! YOUR MOTHER SUCKS DICK FOR CRACK COCAINE YOU FAGGOT!!!! ALL TROONS LIKE YOU ARE JUST POS LOSERS, NOTHING MORE, FUCKING FAGGOT.
Yawn.
I'd hire one of your TROOON COMRADES 100 bucks to FUCK YOUR FAGGOT ASS IN YOUR "HOTDOG DOWN A HALLWAY ASSHOLE", AND AT THE END OF THAT 12IN FAGGOT TROOONS DILDO WOULD BE A SWASTIKA, BECAUSE YOUR A FUCKING FAGGOT.
You got a purty mouth, boy.
As someone into nondual spirituality, when certain psychedelics or pot are used in conjunction with the right spiritual teachings and practices, they open doorways in the mind that really does lead to beneficial changes.
I forgive your petulant childish ignorance.
Someone who smokes pot or takes shrooms isn't a druggie. I got news for you straight edge, most people dabble in a little doobage now and then and you never know it because it literally causes no harm to anyone. Those "druggies" you speak of are just lost souls experiencing other problems that they try to medicate with said drugs.
Maybe they started with herbs or shrooms? Sure. Those are generally safe and easier to get so they start there. But it doesn't fix the problem, it just helps with the symptoms. And then they move on to harder shit because instead of getting help they just self-medicate themselves into degeneracy and dependency.
Same story with any abused drug like alcohol. In fact, why not do the same thing for booze?
I know a ton of people who use Cannabis recreationally a few times a month who are thriving. But everyone I know who uses booze as much as these pot smokers use weed are drunk idiots with majorly dysfunctional lives.
A couple of puffs on a J makes you feel good with virtually no real side effects. Compared to booze getting the same buzz does a lot of damage and gets you closer to addiction and serious dysfunction each time.
So, are your "druggie friends" pot or shroom users who fell off the wagon? Maybe, but correlation does not equal causation. You are parroting the lies of the war on drugs when what we should have had was a war on mental disease. Not by giving everyone bullshit psyche chems that make em worse, but get them real help.
Weed doesn't make you a druggie, but druggies do use weed. But they also drive, and drink, and do all the other stuff you do too.
Maybe we should put the state in control over everything just to be sure?
The risk / reward ratio of this turned loose on the general population half of which has an IQ below 100
is very different from what you've experienced and are expressing here.
LOL, you live in a straight-edge bubble and accuse me of being in one my dood.
I promise you more than 60% of the people you interact with on a daily basis are pot smokers at least on occasion and they are totally fine.
Nothing is being turned loose that isn't already turned loose for 10000 years already.
The idea that somehow Pot just became this thing people started using in the 60s is BS and that everyone was some straight-edge conservative before that is bullshit.
You sound like a gun grabber BTW do you know that? SMDH Our side has just as many authoritarian assholes in it as the other one does... Sad.
You need to decalcify your pineal gland.
Did you know nondualism fits perfectly fine into many different forms of Christianity? Do you even know what nondualism means without looking it up? Did you know it's not unique to any specific religion? It's a metaphysical philosophy that also exists in Christian traditions as well.
You should probably stop talking about things you don’t understand. You sound ignorant
Ok boomer. Try not not to sound like an ignorant old man next time. Shockingly, every conservative or Trump supporter is not a crusty old faggot like yourself
NOOOOOO YOU HAVE TO DRINK DEADLY BOOZE AND CUT YOUR BABY’s FORESKIN OFF BECAUSE MUH FREEDOM NOOOO!
I don't think it's a good idea to fully legalize it, but def decriminalize ALL drugs
meaning you don't go to jail for possessing it, but you cannot acquire it legally
meaning also, if you want it, you can grow it for yourself only
I think this is the way
I think with mushrooms, and all psychedelics, there needs to be a custom--rites rituals to integrate it over time into our culture. Meaning at first, you should have to go a person who is certified to do it. And the certification process is peer to peer, not controlled by the government; or some 'board' authority....but rather you just have to find 2 or 3 people to sponsor you and verify / vouch that you know how to administer a psychedelic 'sit'. There need to be unaltered 'sitters' who just make sure you're safe. That you're in a safe enviornment. That will accept 'emergency calls' from friends, family while you are altered, and can make good decisions on what to say and how to handle it. That have your emergency contacts. That know where the hospital is, how long to get there, and how to get you there safely. That know how to talk you down from going into a dark place. That can handle creature comforts and know how to clean you up if you soil yourself (lots of throwing up involved with psychedelics because of how they cause vertigo)
'Forced sampling' of LSD and HEROIN for K-12 is next.
The CIA needs a new generation of Grateful Dead fans.
LSD is a shit drug compared to mushrooms
It interferes with your ability to think...it's like it starts a timer for about 7 seconds and when that timer is done, whatever you were thinking...that's gone
It's beyond worthless. Also feels 'godless'... a deep sense of existential emptiness, and you can only get back a feeling of belonging, ironically with ketamine
Mushrooms however is kaleidescopic geomety and remote viewing places and things that may or may not exist in this dimension
LSD is way more visual. Shrooms is way more introspective. At least that’s how I, and many others, have experienced both. But the cons here will drink their beer and whiskey from their ivory towers and shit on people who prefer natural substances. See you on the hepatobilliary floor in a few years!
kek
Final tour!
Eh I am okay with this.
Documented microdoses help depression greatly.
So does MDMA
"There's no such thing as a good drug or a bad drug. There's this chemical that's neither good nor bad, it just exists, we either created it or it exists in nature... it's the relationship that humans have with the substance that is the issue.” – Dr. Drew Pinsky
So does a few ounces of high velocity lead shot.
It cured my severe anxiety permanently and that was 25 years ago. It wasn't a microdose. It was an eighth of shrooms. I haven't taken them since
That’s about how much I took when I realized I was destroying my life with opiates.
I microdose psilocybin. Physician said she couldn’t prescribe me a higher dosage of anti-depressants, I was topped out. I thought microdosing was bullshit until I tried it. Cut my medication dose by half every six weeks. Been off em for almost two years now.
you got off SSRIs by microdosing psilocybin? Awesome to hear!
Like I said, I always heard about microdosing for depression and I was like, oho okay! Because all I knew was the recreational aspect of them (from experience). At a low dose, it has no effect on my vision - no distortion - it elevates my mood and keeps me from dwelling on the past (anger, regret) and the future (anxiety, stress).
that's inspiring. Thanks for sharing. I'm quite the dweller myself.
Correction: untreatable depression. Psychedelics should not be the first thing anyone reaches for.
Why? Why would you rather someone take an SSRI instead of a less-than-breakthrough dose of psilocybin?
You're suggesting a degree of control that the general population will not exercise.
Also, you assumed SSRI. That's a strawman.
What kind of control do you think people need? Psilocybin isn't a drug that people tend to habitually abuse, for a number of different reasons, at the recreational dose level. So, what do you think would happen at the therapeutic level? And what do you think the first thing a doctor will prescribe you if you have depression? I bet it will be an SSRI.
Exactly. Especially after the latest research showing there is absolutely no link between serotonin and depression.
I just tried micro dosing recently. It's like taking the best, most calming caffeine... I know, opposites when saying calming and caffeine, but that's the best way to describe. You can focus better, motivated, think faster, etc. Without the jittery energy caffeine would give.
Especially considering you can get that psilocybin yourself, from your closet, grown in rye seed. Totally natural. But no, go drink booze and take adderall 🙄 the circumcisers are at it again
Yes, they are homeless because of drugs, not their decisions. And guns kill people.
Also helps significantly with ptsd. Done under medical supervision
Other therapies work wonders with this for many people.
Like ketamine? MDMA?
How about a deal?
The left can have their mushrooms when they fix the meth epidemic that their soft on crime, soft on border, soft on drugs attitudes have caused?
One catch, their solution must not require us tax payers to support these brain damaged drug addicts. We have enough parasite classes to deal with already.
OK, this is probably the best take on the issue. I think this is something we can all agree on.
Sincerely - the druggie side of PDW
Or how about me being able to grow my own weed and mushrooms and use them in my own home without you or the government having any involvement whatsoever?
For what, telling your ilk to fuck off and leave me be?
I haven't opened any floodgates, you loon. I simply don't want to be arrested for doing what I want to do on my property, in a way that neither harms nor involves anyone else. And for that you tell me I should be drowned to death? Good lord, get some perspective.
The people that cut up their baby’s penis want to tell you what to do in your own home. Classic conservative faggotry.
You don’t get addicted to mushrooms
Sure. Pot use increases risk of schizophrenia by a factor of 6. Proven. Best stuff since sliced bread though, yeah? I know lots of people smoke the shit out of that stuff and do fine but dont lie and say that there are no victims.
Its from years of smoking the chemicals and pesticides used in black market grows.....
Now do alcohol.
Good a nuanced take. Not just a WEED GOOD/WEED BAD. Take. Updoot from me.
But also one man's schizophrenia is another man's spiritual experience... Keep that in mind.
Schizophrenia isn't considered a mental illness in itself, only when it reaches pathological levels. So seeing a little weird shit in your peripheral vision or hearing the occasional whisper when no one is around?
Meh... I don't think that's the weed's fault. Maybe weed just opens us up to things we might normally not notice?
Just something to think about around the campfire after you pass the J a few times.
And that is really the biggest risk of the devil's lettuce... Someone might mellow out and think about shit for a change and not just be a reactionary shithead.
Lol way to prove his point. Weed and shrooms have never been shown to cause any type of brain damage in adults. Not even close. How about we stop giving liver transplants to alcohol users? I mean, the government surely wouldn’t make something safe illegal, and something dangerous legal. The government is honest. 🙄
Great. Send me your address and ill send you the medical bills of my family member whose brain was DESTROYED by meth.
Im so happy to know that you can fix him considering that nobody else can.
Btw….watch your back around him. He is psychotic and is apt to murder you when his paranoia kicks in or when he wants to go buy more meth.
I am NOT kidding or exaggerating. This is real.
He cant / won’t work. Listens to nobody. Cant even keep a pair of shoes without “losing” them somewhere. All he wants is a place to sleep and money from family to support his drug habit while he gets crazier and crazier. He refuses rehab because he wants the drugs.
And dumb fuck lefties make sure that he has no trouble getting his hands on them.
See how it REALLY works????
Synthesized Meth==naturally grown plants.
Yeah, theres that however, snake venom is “all natural” too.
On what planet is the situation you're describing anyone's fault but his? You want the government to lock up all the 'dangerous' stuff so your family member can be "safe" from himself? Give me a fucking break.
How about this: Legalize the drugs, cut this guy off, and then he can work and legally buy safe meth from CVS? Dismantle the welfare state so this dude would have to go to private charity instead of getting government handouts. Private charity (churches) wouldn't put up with it, most likely. Problem solved. He's either clean, or responsibly using non-adulterated substances, supporting capitalism and working.
He wont work because he can’t, thanks to the drugs. He is nuts and dangerous.
All we can do is hope that nobody has to die before he does.
So yeah, fuck you again.
Thanks to his decisions. Let’s not blame inanimate objects for people’s decisions. Feel like this is how we all feel when guns come up, but once it’s drugs, the conservatives we all fucking hate coke out of the woodwork to tell us how to live. Then they drink booze and get fat while I smoke pot, eat shrooms and stay in shape with my beautiful healthy liver.
Tell you what, perhaps you should listen to those who suffer this before just assuming you have all the rosey pipe-dream (pun intended) answers?
He has a family of responsible professionals (some liberal doctors, some conservative actuaries). All of us would willingly throw the switch on the electric chair now if there was a drug dealer sitting in it.
But you are the smart one who singularly possesses the moral high ground. Am I right? You lefties are unbelievably naïve.
I was a heroin addict. Shrooms helped me quit. Not doing them every day, but a single trip where I sat and thought and cried, and realized what I was doing. 🤷🏻♂️
Leftie? I'm not the one advocating for more government.
btw, i've done meth. it doesnt make you do the things you're describing. your family member is dealing with something else entirely, and you're too dumb to see anything past him using a substance you know nothing about.
Grow the fuck up, commie. Government doesn't create culture. This isn't China.
Shrooms not harmful or addictive.
Thanks for the info Dr. Junkie.
Kind of funny. Ran into a guy a few eeeks ago who likes pills. Oxy and valium in particular. Listen to the idiot talk and he speaks like he thinks hes a fucking pharmacist or something. He just an hvac tech pill junkie.
Wonder if Sid Barrett or the rest of Pink Fliyd would agree with your medical take on psycho active drugs. I doubt it,
Who gives a fuck about some over the hill British communists that play guitar and hate Republicans?
Jeesuz you're a fucking clown.
And they are all dumb. Glad I'm not alone on this site when it comes to not being a boomer fudd who still thinks things like natural medicines are literally the devil like Crack and fentanyl. The war on drugs was one of the ways these deep state fucks got us into all this shit.
Shrooms bust some people out of their NPC mentality, even if only temporarily, others just giggle alot. I've seen all kinds of people react to shrooms, but none of the crazy hallucination stories alot ignorant people associate with shrooms.
It's true they aren't for everyone at just any time though. An unstable person in a strange environment on shrooms is generally not gonna have a good time. Lol
Back when I did things like that, mushrooms sent me to another planet, however the people who were around me said I was just sitting there quiet like nothing was going on.
True that! I'm mainly only smoking weed on the occasional weekend adventure, or when I want to go DEEEEEEEP in meditation. (combine meditation techniques with weed and you will go places). But that too has the ability to help with all kinds of mental issues and see the world in clear ways. And don't get me started on how CBD can help those with anxiety.
Exactly. The Drug War has been a failure for everyone except the endlessly growing state and federal agencies.
BINGO. Even if people on here frown on weed and shrooms, fuck em, The war on drugs brought no benefit to this country at all whatsoever, all it did was make the elites more powerful and rich from cartel buyoffs.
It's also a great way to start endless false race narratives as well. Considering the Marihuana Tax Act of 1937, which is generally regarded as the beginning of the modern Drug War, was sponsored, pushed, and implemented by a died-in-the-wool DEMOCRAT, the puzzle starts to fit together..
Hell yeah, someone knows! Glad to meet you dude.
Shrooms should not be conflated with natural medicine. Herbal supplements don't make you trip.
I mean, micro dosing has been shown to help a lot of people, including people with PTSD. And who the fuck are you to tell me what I can do with my brain? If I want to take an introspective trip, I will. Shit helped me get off heroin.
You literally have no idea what you are talking about and are stating that as if it's established fact. Tangy Tangerine doesn't make you jacked kido. And shrooms don't make you worship the devil.
Nobody is forcing you to try them. Stop acting like a democrat trying to control everyone.
None of what you wrote has anything to do with anything I wrote.
You're making the case for your brain being destroyed by drugs. Ironic!
Amazingly, marijuana is schedule 1
https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/files/2020-06/Marijuana-Cannabis-2020_0.pdf
And alcohol, with the only withdrawals that will kill you, is perfectly legal.
to them weed is worse than meth, you see ALOT of these boomers used to pop white crosses to work insane hours trucking or in the oil field. Now they just bitch and moan that all their kids who won't do drugs like they did to work 30 straight hours are "lazy".
Lol exactly
CHALLENGE ACCEPTED
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Harm-comparison-between-alcohol-and-other-drugs-Source-Nutt-et-al-2010_fig3_277013502
It’s funny you guys are against this lol While claiming to stand for liberty 🗽 Mushrooms are the safest drug there is..
Natural medicine is safest, to be sure. Tripping is generally not the safest form of existence.
Says someone who has never experienced mushrooms lol
Every time you pretend to know what's on the other side of the screen, you're wrong.
And demonstrate that your IQ is below 85.
Lol cool story bro
all drugs are natural. they are either made by God or made by Man, who is made by God, and therefore natural.
Wow… the fact that you bring up pedophilia really shows your hand lol
No point lol
Ok groomer
In Seattle, All drugs have been legalized
You'd have to be fully drugged to live in Seattle.
I thought it was a giant crater at this point
Not yet but that's the improvement plan.
I think they still roast coffee and make aeroplanes near there.
Not very well as of late
and is now sliding into an abyss...
All of them? I can walk into the shut down Walgreens and buy a 20 of K?
You dont even have to go that deep into walmart, you can get them at the bus stop on the way to walmart, or on the busses themselves, in the parking lots of walgreens, at the municipal libraries while you wait for the bus... And you can probably get some free second hand fenty smoke with all the other children who are waiting to get stabbed and attacked.
Don't forget, don't call the cops if they are black though, that would be racist and the y will hunt you down to get you fired and lose your constitutional right to pursue happiness....
them?
I was asking a specific question. I wasn't aware ketamine was sold legally in Seattle at Walgreens? Is this true?
Is that true? Or decriminalized?
I think a lot of people here could benefit from plant medicine. They are legal to get spores online and easy to grow. Two or three the size of your finger is sufficient, best of luck
Leftism needs Soma to keep the population compliant.
"Have you taken your happy pills today, citizen?"
Soma was much more likely opium, rather than psychedelics
Psychedelics create anti-establishmentarians like no other drug...they wake you up and make you ask questions. That is why the governments of the world are against psychedelics more than any other class of drug
Opioids are a favorite of the governments.
That's why they are the ones
So please keep making ignorant comments that suggest you don't really understand the big club and how you ain't in it
Ok legalize EVERYTHING but get rid of ALL welfare. If you are so stoned or brain damaged you cannot work and you don’t have friends to leach off of then nature will take care of the issue. If you rob or cause harm to others you are moved to an island in the pacific and left to figure it out. Move in a bunch of hogs to help reduce the refuse and compost the remains.
Who needs Alcatraz? 1000 miles from nowhere, surrounded by sharks, with coconuts.
Let kimodo dragons be the guards.
Meh, I'm in favor of legalizing drugs because I love freedom. Having legitimet busineses selling products takes money and power away from black market cartels which have much worse effects on society. If drug users commit other crimes, arrest them for that.
might as well bring back alcohol prohibition then
I had to read that like 5 times to figure out how you squared that circle. Me doing shrooms has nothing to do with your freedoms. You wanting them illegal does interfere with mine. Pedophiles hurt children. Circumcision also hurts children. I think both pedos and baby mutilators should be treated the same. “But muh god said” fuck off.
lol
Say goodbye to booze. But wouldn’t wanna take beer away from the fat rednecks who hate hippies then distort their liver. I would see them on my floor waiting for their new livers all the time. Maybe we should stop giving alcohol abusers new livers?
They know they fucked up when they canceled all entertainment so they need a way to draw people back into addictions so they remain docile. In the past few years they legalized weed, gambling, recreational drug use and decriminalized all of it. What do they all have in common? Enjoy yourself, don't worry about reality.
You literally cannot become addicted to LSD or shrooms. The way their tolerance build works, and their effect make it impossible.
In some ways interval drug use is worse than recreational use. Reminds me of prescription pain killer addiction, you HAVE to have your pill at the allotted time. I know there are many just for fun shroom users, but if you regularly take them, restraint for pleasure does not mean you're in control.
You missed the whole point. Psychedelics cannot be taken regularly - even once every other day is too much and it become aversive enough to inhibit the consumption. Psychedelics are the exception to the rule, only comparable to other drugs by contrast, not similarity.
While true, this is irrelevant to the potential harm to society.
What harm? Alcohol is a fucking scourge on society, but no one here wants it prohibited. Tried that once. Didn’t go well. What the fuck even is “society?” I’m me. An individual. I could give a fuck what society wants or thinks. Go read some Ayn Rand and come back to me.
What's the point? There is so much shit on the sidewalks in California that mushrooms probably grow there naturally.
Cyanescens and azurescens are native to the coast
I believe these grow on wood, rather than rotting grass ('ruminent patties')
It’s only a matter of time before we have recreational cocaine
based.
freebased.......FTFY
Lol if cons who never get invited to parties know how prevalent cocaine is… and most of these people drink alcohol without realizing it’s more dangerous than weed, shrooms or coke. Both for you and the people around you.
It's the pause that refreshes.
I'm for this.
Let's hope it will enlighten many.
The reason drugs are needed in the first place is because the progressive Commies have engineer at our society to be a consumer slave society, not a producer ag and trade society so instead of working to chop wood, carry water plan for the winter, plant garden, can food hunt food, cultivate, we sit in front of computers in front of the blue screen that’s mesmerizing everybody and are given vouchers to go get food and fuel to get to our jobs so drugs are needed because nobody gets any exercise. We’re not doing what humans were supposed to do and it’s completely messed up in my humble opinion.
Love me some mushrooms
Alcohol is legal. I rest my case.
Literally the most dangerous drug too. Kills a shit ton of people. And it should be legal.
Good. One of the few things I actually agree with these pukes about is the war on drugs. You wanna ban designer drugs like cocaine, fentanyl, etc, I get that, those things are poison and kill and ruin millions of lives a year. I still say decriminalize or otherwise legalize and regulate it like booze or smokes as that will end the black market trade. Which BTW is a much bigger problem than the drugs themselves, and part of the reason the deep state wants open borders. The cartels love that shit.
But pot? 99% if not 100% of popular psychedelics like ayahuasca, shrooms, or peyote? No more dangerous and harmful than booze, and in fact LESS dangerous with legit health and spiritual benefits! And all of which are less addictive, or entirely nonaddictive.
So let's not be pearl-clutching ninnies on this one.
Fuck CA though, we all know they are doing this for the wrong reasons.
Lol the Christian cons here are the epitome of pearl clutching Nannie’s. They want to dictate what we do with our own bodies, then turn around and hack off their infants foreskin. True clown world nonsense.
Oh for real. I for one do stand with them against the unjust persecution the NWO is subjecting them to. But the attitudes from these people here are exactly why the NWO has such an advantage over them in terms of waking up the Normies to the truth.
A bunch of bible thumping t totalers judging everyone for minor shit like this and trying to control people are no different in my mind than a woke moron judging everyone.
And let's be honest, most of these pearl clutchers are sinful vice fuelled rejects too, they just think their shit doesn't stink cuz they can quote the bible.
It’s already legal in Washington DC and a few other states. DC imports them from Oregon I think?
Satanic pedophiles rule the world and you wanna be like "dat guy over der is consuming plants! GET IM"
The Commiefag agenda pipeline in the US originates in California then rolls out to the rest of the country.
"As goes California, so goes the nation"
Hey man its only a little bit weed... Hey man its only a mushroom... Hey man its only...
The slippery slope continues. Granted shrooms are not the worst drug out there. Hell it might even have some legit benefits though its not well researched. It's the slow erosion to eventually get what they want which is full legalization of all drugs and a state controlled distribution and taxing of said drugs that bothers me.
Way to man pro drug addicts in here holy shit
The Libertarian in me says, it's okay, whatever, just keep it out of the hands of children and retards and don't do it in public.
The disgusted independent who's sick of waiting two weeks for nothing to happen knows they'll just use legal mushrooms to somehow fuck over everyone just that much more and make them perfectly content with being fucked over.
Legalize everything at this point. The Constitution is gone anyway.
You have that backwards. The constitution if followed means they wouldn't have been criminalized in the first place.
Imagine being sad that the government is giving up regulating things that grow from cow shit.
Everything could be legalized so long as there was no government assistance. Let them weed themselves out or use semi responsibly
As a moderate weed user, weed is nowhere NEAR as big a problem as booze is. I'm not in favor of prohibition for booze either, but if I had a gun to my head, I'd criminalize booze before weed.
Fentanyl = borax for human degenerates
The Constitution is only viable as much as we agree it is, just like the Bible.
Legalise all drugs and treat them like alcohol; establishments have to have a licence to sell them, the government gets more tax revenue, and it takes money and power away from criminal gangs. Before anyone says "no-one should be doing these drugs anyway" these drugs are not currently legal and people are still doing them, so the current strategy is not working.
If people want to do these drugs, they should be able to do them in a safe and legal manner. You don't want to do these drugs? Great, then continue to not do them.
I love when the government "legalizes" one of God's creations after having declared the growing of it "illegal". You can't legalize a plant or a mushroom anymore than you can legalize the sun coming up.
Soon there will be people running down naked in the streets running away from the ghostbuster slimmer, and all you need to say is... Yup.
States SHOULD be responsible for this kind of stuff. The DEA and ATF should not exist. It should all be legal imho.
My worry about psychedelics is the usage of them for faux-spirituality. They don’t seem to have the same addictive qualities as other drugs (though to say they aren’t addictive is also false).
The “spirituality” of drugs is a fake consumer spirituality.
hmm, I do mushroom drinks, take some lions mane pills, they are good for you. I quit drinking and am a better person, so wtf enough bills and laws, do what makes you happy within your own