I think we’re getting somewhere now, the Open primaries being the bigger problem of the two. That’s why Yang’s crew is working on Open Primaries as well in the same places they’re trying to get the RCV.
Read the last sentence again. They admit "ranked-choice voting has become a victim of partisan warfare." They are absolutely right. Notice how RCV is only introduced in red states as a partisan weapon democrats use to take power in red states. Where is RCV in California, Maryland, or New York? If the dems are gonna pull RCV in red states, why don't we do the same in blue states? As soon as that happens, democrats will abandon RCV because it no longer serves as their weapon to take more power.
All things considered, $1.5 Million sounds like comparative chump change.
Frankly, I don't understand why runoffs are considered 'dreaded' or how much additional roads or infrastructure they're expecting to achieve compared to the loss of simple straightforward runoff elections.
I don't understand the problem with ranked choice, feel free to educate me. As far as I'm aware, say you have five nominees. Voters rank them 1 to 5, or however far towards 5 you want to go. You count up the votes of every #1 choice, and if nobody crosses the 50% threshold you take the lowest-scoring nominee and distribute their #2 choices to the remaining candidates. Repeat until one candidate gets over 50%.
Wouldn't this give an incentive to vote based on the individual nominee's principles instead of party affiliation? It would be a good tool to root out RINOs in my opinion. What's the rationale for opposing it?
Of course I'd also support a ballot option to throw all the running candidates into a volcano, but that's beside the point.
We’re discussing that above, I believe RCV is less of a problem when there are no Open Primaries. Unfortunately those who are pushing for RCV know this as well and are pushing for both.
The other big problem with open primaries is that they're supposed to be about who the people in the party want to represent them.
If you want a say in who a party is going to run, join the party. It doesn't take any real commitment. There's no obligation to vote for the candidate in that party in the general, there's no obligation to donate money or participate in any other way.
It's not even that difficult to change your party affiliation.
But if you want a say in who is going to represent a party in a general election, the least you can do is register as a member of that party.
Runoff elections achieve the same basic thing but in a more simple and straightforward manner.
Nobody gets to 50%, you cut out everyone but the top two, top two go to the runoff.
You're still free to vote for whoever you want without feeling like you're wasting your vote, because if there's a runoff you'll still get to vote for a better option, but you'll have an option to consider who of the remaining two you prefer.
Well, Republicans never win these elections, which signals they (Democrats) have some way to rig them. Why is it only Democrats that push this scheme? In places with this type of election, do any Republicans ever win? Same with mail ballots.
I don't find this argument compelling. Democrats abusing the voting system (regardless of what it is) is a seperate issue to the voting system itself (and a given). Just because we don't win with this system (assuming we'd win the same election under a different system), doesn't invalidate the system itself as a representative tool of the will of the people (regardless of their idiocy).
I signed up for their emails just to collect intel and see what they’re up to given I have interest in a 3rd Party. Yang and his crew are aggressive and have been making a lot of gains in a short period of time.
Palin and Tshibaka are trying to end it in AK, it didn’t work for them https://www.adn.com/politics/2023/01/23/tshibaka-joins-palin-in-effort-to-fight-ranked-choice-voting/
I think we’re getting somewhere now, the Open primaries being the bigger problem of the two. That’s why Yang’s crew is working on Open Primaries as well in the same places they’re trying to get the RCV.
Read the last sentence again. They admit "ranked-choice voting has become a victim of partisan warfare." They are absolutely right. Notice how RCV is only introduced in red states as a partisan weapon democrats use to take power in red states. Where is RCV in California, Maryland, or New York? If the dems are gonna pull RCV in red states, why don't we do the same in blue states? As soon as that happens, democrats will abandon RCV because it no longer serves as their weapon to take more power.
That’s a good observation, one I hadn’t looked at closely. Appreciate your pointing it out.
All things considered, $1.5 Million sounds like comparative chump change.
Frankly, I don't understand why runoffs are considered 'dreaded' or how much additional roads or infrastructure they're expecting to achieve compared to the loss of simple straightforward runoff elections.
True. $1.5 million is almost enough to repave one mile of a road.
I don't understand the problem with ranked choice, feel free to educate me. As far as I'm aware, say you have five nominees. Voters rank them 1 to 5, or however far towards 5 you want to go. You count up the votes of every #1 choice, and if nobody crosses the 50% threshold you take the lowest-scoring nominee and distribute their #2 choices to the remaining candidates. Repeat until one candidate gets over 50%.
Wouldn't this give an incentive to vote based on the individual nominee's principles instead of party affiliation? It would be a good tool to root out RINOs in my opinion. What's the rationale for opposing it?
Of course I'd also support a ballot option to throw all the running candidates into a volcano, but that's beside the point.
We’re discussing that above, I believe RCV is less of a problem when there are no Open Primaries. Unfortunately those who are pushing for RCV know this as well and are pushing for both.
Yeah Open Primaries make no sense and would obviously be used to sabotage the opposition.
The other big problem with open primaries is that they're supposed to be about who the people in the party want to represent them.
If you want a say in who a party is going to run, join the party. It doesn't take any real commitment. There's no obligation to vote for the candidate in that party in the general, there's no obligation to donate money or participate in any other way.
It's not even that difficult to change your party affiliation.
But if you want a say in who is going to represent a party in a general election, the least you can do is register as a member of that party.
Runoff elections achieve the same basic thing but in a more simple and straightforward manner.
Nobody gets to 50%, you cut out everyone but the top two, top two go to the runoff.
You're still free to vote for whoever you want without feeling like you're wasting your vote, because if there's a runoff you'll still get to vote for a better option, but you'll have an option to consider who of the remaining two you prefer.
And it ultimately does it with far less mess.
Well, Republicans never win these elections, which signals they (Democrats) have some way to rig them. Why is it only Democrats that push this scheme? In places with this type of election, do any Republicans ever win? Same with mail ballots.
I don't find this argument compelling. Democrats abusing the voting system (regardless of what it is) is a seperate issue to the voting system itself (and a given). Just because we don't win with this system (assuming we'd win the same election under a different system), doesn't invalidate the system itself as a representative tool of the will of the people (regardless of their idiocy).
Yang should fund a pit dig and be the first to be tossed into it. Unparty coddles ranked as it allows rising stars to be snuffed out.
OP can ypu post the link to this story please?
I received it as an email, and just took a screenshot. You can find in detail here https://www.forwardparty.com/
Thanks!
I signed up for their emails just to collect intel and see what they’re up to given I have interest in a 3rd Party. Yang and his crew are aggressive and have been making a lot of gains in a short period of time.
Its a dumbass system