I consider all these so-called MAGA people making excuses about "muh being arrested if I refuse to certify" to be even worse than RINOs like John McCain and Dems like Katie Hobbs.
Our enemies let us know they are our enemies and fight us from the front. Faux MAGA like the faggots in Maricopa and these faggots in this county are MUCH WORSE than RINOs and Dems because they claim to be our friend and then stab us in the back everytime. Fuck them all. I consider these to be quislings and pences.
That's why I laugh whenever people talk about revolution because any time I see someone actually take action half the people here who have been talking about executing traitors and polishing their rifles immediately begin clutching their pearls, condemning the actor and trying to find even the remotest fault with them to squirm out of their own prior statements.
They just fucking immediately begin dilating, kvetching and sounding exactly like shitlibs. It's very black-pilling and all so tiresome.
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They won't get a conviction either if they can prove the fraud and that would come out in discovery. I hope that they change their mind but I doubt it.
Yeh I said the same on the bannon jury in DC, the chauvin jury in Minneapolis,.... this is all bullshit. Jury means nothing because the media will dox them and let loose the mob
Not disagreeing with you, but there obviously has to be a mechanism to strip you of your rights for life and legally execute you - to make it all legal like and bonafied.
Participating in election fraud by illegally certifying a corrupt election is also a felony. The difference is that only one side is willing to prosecute. Until there is a fear of consequences the left will continue to commit crimes and intimidate.
What's the point in having/requiring certifications, then? Just auto-certify all election results, regardless of whether they make any arithmetical sense or not. Fuck it.
If they accept only illegitimate elections, illegitimate elections should be provided to them far beyond their expectations. Clearly, we have no real representation, just as we have no real justice system.
This is really what it boils down to... If they can charge you with failing to certify, then there must be a law that insists that you do. I would think we'd need to research from the county board of elections, their charter or bylaws, to see exactly what it is they're doing by the act of "certifying".
I know what it means to you and I. To you and I, I would think figuring out "what is it to cerify" would be like answering "what is it to breathe?", but it changes totally when you're speaking in terms of the court.
I would think the people in charge of doing their job would research just what it means to do their job, what's expected of you, and what it means to complete an action, and in what circumstances laws can be broken.
I thought I remember somewhere hearing that you cannot be compelled to break your oath of office, through law.
Well, I would bet you there is wording in the statute that says "shall certify," or something like that. This is part of the state codifying the election process (as it should). That's what they're basing this on. But there is no way you can convince me this was ever meant to be "shall certify" results which a county supervisor knows to be wrong or has good reason to believe are wrong.
And I would also bet you there is a criminal penalty (maybe another Class 6 felony?) for a county supervisor to certify election results he knows aren't correct. And "they made me do it" isn't a defense.
And that's what lawfare does. It uses the letter of the law to pervert the spirit of the law.
They sign their names to statements to the effect that they're satisfied the results are accurate, or the election isn't legal.
But if they don't sign, they face felony charges. Regardless of whether the results are straight nonsense. Why even have a board of supervisors?
There is no way that is legal. I do not believe it. Looks to me like they're lying, and hiding behind shitty legal advice, which coward politicians have done over and over and over when they want to avoid responsibility for their actions.
Remember the process is the punishment in lawfare. They can charge you, hold you, drag it out, nobody is going to do anything to help you because they're the ones doing it to you. Ultimately you could have charges dropped but not before you lose your job, family, years of your life and life savings and it costs them almost nothing. It's quite an evil racket.
I'm unsure about the "legality" of coercion in a "legal" agreement. Seems to me, that was a deal-breaker in litigation... but I only had a few "useless" business law, engineering ethics and business ethics courses as a business administration doctoral student.
Typically, coercion or fraud make any agreement invalid.
This isn’t an agreement between two parties, but a certification that election results are accurate.
But we have more than one official saying publicly that they are “forced” to sign their names to certify election results that they know to be inaccurate.
There's even lots of them on this very website! They can be identified by their calling rightfully concerned citizens "glowies/feds," as well as using pseudointellectual jargon that, upon scrutiny, does not hold up.
Are you trying to say you're one of those retards screeching about Israelis all the time and you can't find the five simple rules of this site? 'Cuz that's what it sounds like.
Its ilegal for me to give legal advise, but if I could give legal advise, it would be to collectively stand together and say no. Dare Hobbs to prosecute since she is the SOS and presumably can't enforce the criminal law, while the state AG works for the legislature not the [future] governor, and call Hobbs a threat to our democracy. There is still an issue of county district attorneys, but I don't think in a county like Yavapai they could get a conviction.
Giving legal advise is considered the practice of Law, and states have chosen to criminalize it. Those who can practice the law are defined by the state's highest court which is usually limited to attorneys, parties who represent themselves, jailhouse lawyers, parents for their kids in some instances but not others, maybe next friend is considered another one where a person is say incapacitated. The short answer is, I am not a attorney and there are laws against non-attorneys giving legal advise. If they lock me up, and I had access to outside communication, I wonder if I would have more speech rights as a jailhouse lawyer prisoner than a freeman.
UPL a really stupid law and rule if you ask me, and they often run afoul of the first amendment. Certainly advising someone to [imminently] violate the law isn't protected speech, but much needed political posturing for the local leaders to stand their ground in solidarity and lead. As to criminal charges, I expect it is a bluff and Hobbs is engaged in an textbook act of terrorism against the board of supervisors through intimidation as defined by the supreme court. There is still the ground of injuncti relief that could be sought and the courts can sort that mess out, but at some point the republican counties need to talk about succeeding from the state since their is no consent of the governed.
This is deja vu. I saw a lot of promises of "over the target," "got em red-handed" in 2020. Yet, Biden is still president. Sorry Kari. You weren't powerful enough to stop the swamp train. Neither was Trump.
So what. Tell them to fuck off. They can't get the election certified and then a judge has to make believe they have the authority to do it or else they have a problem. Embarrass them.
"big if true" is a massive understatement here... one guy speaking up is bad for them, the other two saying "me too" is essentially saying it wouldn't have gone through if they wouldn't have threatened them.
this is now documented election theft.
if there is a shred of proof, an email, a recording even... it's a big fucking deal.
Paralysis of inaction and cowardice. No American nowadays want to be the pariah/martyr and ostracized from society. Look at how the powers-that-be shat on Trump. It takes incredible amount of courage in the face of adversity, know-how, and a collected demeanor to suffer through all he has been through.
No normal person in America can, or wants to, handle even a tenth of what Trump has had to endure - him and his family. Not me, not you reading this, not anyone. It will require a "I have nothing else left to lose" attitude - a true "backed into a corner" moment, if you will - for anything to even remotely change.
And personally, I'm not even 100% sure that'll ever happen. Will it? Who knows.
Nah. The only response is to force their hand, and if they try, either I die or they die. No one should accept being forced to do anything.
This current example is how weakness has been bread throughout America...and get a fucking camera pen and record all of you interactions with democrats already...
AOC parading around with her arms behind her back not even under arrest comes to mind. She got brownie points for her civil disobedience but these county board members cower at the slightest sign of conflict.
And no one is saying what the SPECIFIC charge is that would be a class 6 felony.
Also, if they refuse to certify based on the actions of a separate county they would clearly lose their argument that they were not being derelict in executing their duties. However if it were their OWN county where there was fraud or even a legally cognizable argument that there was fraud, and they refused to certify, they’d have a solid leg to stand on.
The proper way to address the fraudulent action of a separate county is to issue a resolution that they do not accept the certification of the other counties, and yes, certify under duress and the INVESTIGATE the county attorney threatening to have them arrested!
Why are they not calling out these county officials by name?!?!
Every signer of the Declaration of Independence put a lot more on the line. Be a man or be a faggot.
This. Every man who signed that document also signed their own death warrant. This Mohave guy makes me sick
I now identify as the Mohave Manlet and have changed my mind. I will now sign!
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I consider all these so-called MAGA people making excuses about "muh being arrested if I refuse to certify" to be even worse than RINOs like John McCain and Dems like Katie Hobbs.
Our enemies let us know they are our enemies and fight us from the front. Faux MAGA like the faggots in Maricopa and these faggots in this county are MUCH WORSE than RINOs and Dems because they claim to be our friend and then stab us in the back everytime. Fuck them all. I consider these to be quislings and pences.
That's why I laugh whenever people talk about revolution because any time I see someone actually take action half the people here who have been talking about executing traitors and polishing their rifles immediately begin clutching their pearls, condemning the actor and trying to find even the remotest fault with them to squirm out of their own prior statements.
They just fucking immediately begin dilating, kvetching and sounding exactly like shitlibs. It's very black-pilling and all so tiresome.
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Why would you give the glowies any ammo? This isn't the venue for those discussions.
That's clearly not the reason because you could still just, you know, not say anything at all.
There is no venue for these discussions so...
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But being a faggot helps me afford more can-ams, RVs, another inch on my lift, and a bass boat!
Well said.
'A class 6 felony is the least severe type of felony in Arizona. A conviction can result in fines, probation, or a prison sentence."
Imagine certifying under the threat of duress in the face of actual election fraud.
Felony on purpose.
Felony removes them from office and prevents firearm ownership, IIRC.
That’s for a conviction
True.
They won't get a conviction either if they can prove the fraud and that would come out in discovery. I hope that they change their mind but I doubt it.
They'd get a conviction. Itd be in Maricopa County where the jury is pulled.
That’s true, but it only takes one juror with moral turpitude and balls
Yeh I said the same on the bannon jury in DC, the chauvin jury in Minneapolis,.... this is all bullshit. Jury means nothing because the media will dox them and let loose the mob
You can still own a firearm. Hide the fkin thing
Everyone else does.
This.
WHERE in the constitution does it says "shall not be infringed... except for a felony conviction".
Oh yeah, it DOESN'T.
Not disagreeing with you, but there obviously has to be a mechanism to strip you of your rights for life and legally execute you - to make it all legal like and bonafied.
Yeah maybe, but the moment you USE it in self defense they’ll make it exponentially worse for you 😡
Agreed but you wont be dead at least
Caving under threat of being inconvenienced.
Participating in election fraud by illegally certifying a corrupt election is also a felony. The difference is that only one side is willing to prosecute. Until there is a fear of consequences the left will continue to commit crimes and intimidate.
Why isn’t it a felony to certify a knowingly fraudulent election?
I'm wondering if a violation of this law has ever gone to court before. Do you know?
What's the point in having/requiring certifications, then? Just auto-certify all election results, regardless of whether they make any arithmetical sense or not. Fuck it.
To give you the impression that it’s legitimate in any way. It’s not.
Faggot dong appreciators?
Forever death advocates
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If they accept only illegitimate elections, illegitimate elections should be provided to them far beyond their expectations. Clearly, we have no real representation, just as we have no real justice system.
This is really what it boils down to... If they can charge you with failing to certify, then there must be a law that insists that you do. I would think we'd need to research from the county board of elections, their charter or bylaws, to see exactly what it is they're doing by the act of "certifying".
I know what it means to you and I. To you and I, I would think figuring out "what is it to cerify" would be like answering "what is it to breathe?", but it changes totally when you're speaking in terms of the court.
I would think the people in charge of doing their job would research just what it means to do their job, what's expected of you, and what it means to complete an action, and in what circumstances laws can be broken.
I thought I remember somewhere hearing that you cannot be compelled to break your oath of office, through law.
Well, I would bet you there is wording in the statute that says "shall certify," or something like that. This is part of the state codifying the election process (as it should). That's what they're basing this on. But there is no way you can convince me this was ever meant to be "shall certify" results which a county supervisor knows to be wrong or has good reason to believe are wrong.
And I would also bet you there is a criminal penalty (maybe another Class 6 felony?) for a county supervisor to certify election results he knows aren't correct. And "they made me do it" isn't a defense.
And that's what lawfare does. It uses the letter of the law to pervert the spirit of the law.
couldn't agree with you more, well said.
So let me see if I can get this straight:
They sign their names to statements to the effect that they're satisfied the results are accurate, or the election isn't legal.
But if they don't sign, they face felony charges. Regardless of whether the results are straight nonsense. Why even have a board of supervisors?
There is no way that is legal. I do not believe it. Looks to me like they're lying, and hiding behind shitty legal advice, which coward politicians have done over and over and over when they want to avoid responsibility for their actions.
Remember the process is the punishment in lawfare. They can charge you, hold you, drag it out, nobody is going to do anything to help you because they're the ones doing it to you. Ultimately you could have charges dropped but not before you lose your job, family, years of your life and life savings and it costs them almost nothing. It's quite an evil racket.
FBI DOJ and endless investigations of Trump.
Underrated comment
I'm unsure about the "legality" of coercion in a "legal" agreement. Seems to me, that was a deal-breaker in litigation... but I only had a few "useless" business law, engineering ethics and business ethics courses as a business administration doctoral student.
Typically, coercion or fraud make any agreement invalid.
This isn’t an agreement between two parties, but a certification that election results are accurate.
But we have more than one official saying publicly that they are “forced” to sign their names to certify election results that they know to be inaccurate.
star chamber
What is that?
It's where Gunny sticks his pinky when he wants to ruin your day.
Name of a movie, and an idea.
It is foolish to expect morality from someone who knowingly receives and keeps stolen goods.
Taxation is theft.
I don't care about morality. I resent having someone rate my intelligence so low as to tell lies no better than that.
OK retard.
Get coherent quickly, or shut the fuck up.
Go be a moral relativistic satanic faggot somewhere else.
If you don't care about right and wrong, why would I care about anything else you think or say? You are demonstrably stupid.
You don't have any idea what you're talking about.
Fuck off.
The single biggest problem facing our country is WEAK MEN.
There's even lots of them on this very website! They can be identified by their calling rightfully concerned citizens "glowies/feds," as well as using pseudointellectual jargon that, upon scrutiny, does not hold up.
Are you trying to say you're one of those retards screeching about Israelis all the time and you can't find the five simple rules of this site? 'Cuz that's what it sounds like.
To literally everything. You’re doing more to wake people up to the real problem than all the rest of us combined. Keep up the good work.
Its ilegal for me to give legal advise, but if I could give legal advise, it would be to collectively stand together and say no. Dare Hobbs to prosecute since she is the SOS and presumably can't enforce the criminal law, while the state AG works for the legislature not the [future] governor, and call Hobbs a threat to our democracy. There is still an issue of county district attorneys, but I don't think in a county like Yavapai they could get a conviction.
Giving legal advise is considered the practice of Law, and states have chosen to criminalize it. Those who can practice the law are defined by the state's highest court which is usually limited to attorneys, parties who represent themselves, jailhouse lawyers, parents for their kids in some instances but not others, maybe next friend is considered another one where a person is say incapacitated. The short answer is, I am not a attorney and there are laws against non-attorneys giving legal advise. If they lock me up, and I had access to outside communication, I wonder if I would have more speech rights as a jailhouse lawyer prisoner than a freeman.
UPL a really stupid law and rule if you ask me, and they often run afoul of the first amendment. Certainly advising someone to [imminently] violate the law isn't protected speech, but much needed political posturing for the local leaders to stand their ground in solidarity and lead. As to criminal charges, I expect it is a bluff and Hobbs is engaged in an textbook act of terrorism against the board of supervisors through intimidation as defined by the supreme court. There is still the ground of injuncti relief that could be sought and the courts can sort that mess out, but at some point the republican counties need to talk about succeeding from the state since their is no consent of the governed.
FACE THE GODDAMN CHARGES OR NONE OF THIS SHIT EVER CHANGES.
Then everyone should have resigned their post.
At the very least this.
Anyone with a conscience would have at least done this.
What are they all going to be arrested if they all refused? Hell no!
Its an empty threat...grow a pair and stand up for the people!
Someone had a golden opportunity to be a hero and blew it.
How is it legal to even threaten someone with that if they aren't breaking the law?
It’s only a class 6 felony if they shirk their duty. Their duty is not to certify no matter what, or else what would be the point of certification?
This is all such bullshit, traitors need to be shot dead.
If they would have timely counted the results they would have had more time to consider the certification issue.
How the F are this many devils? Devils all the way up and down!
At what point do the people drag these traitors out of their homes at night, AND FUCKING BURN THEM TO DEATH?!
Our ancestors would have
The governor could pardon them. The sheriff could also refuse to arrest them.
This is deja vu. I saw a lot of promises of "over the target," "got em red-handed" in 2020. Yet, Biden is still president. Sorry Kari. You weren't powerful enough to stop the swamp train. Neither was Trump.
So what. Tell them to fuck off. They can't get the election certified and then a judge has to make believe they have the authority to do it or else they have a problem. Embarrass them.
Then they should say "fine, arrest me".
"big if true" is a massive understatement here... one guy speaking up is bad for them, the other two saying "me too" is essentially saying it wouldn't have gone through if they wouldn't have threatened them.
this is now documented election theft.
if there is a shred of proof, an email, a recording even... it's a big fucking deal.
Paralysis of inaction and cowardice. No American nowadays want to be the pariah/martyr and ostracized from society. Look at how the powers-that-be shat on Trump. It takes incredible amount of courage in the face of adversity, know-how, and a collected demeanor to suffer through all he has been through.
No normal person in America can, or wants to, handle even a tenth of what Trump has had to endure - him and his family. Not me, not you reading this, not anyone. It will require a "I have nothing else left to lose" attitude - a true "backed into a corner" moment, if you will - for anything to even remotely change.
And personally, I'm not even 100% sure that'll ever happen. Will it? Who knows.
Hold the line!!!
Kari’s got this shit, right Kari? We have lawyers, we’re all over this thing. Bye, thanks
Did they?
And they all crumbled
Nah. The only response is to force their hand, and if they try, either I die or they die. No one should accept being forced to do anything.
This current example is how weakness has been bread throughout America...and get a fucking camera pen and record all of you interactions with democrats already...
Technically a vote under duress is non-binding.
AOC parading around with her arms behind her back not even under arrest comes to mind. She got brownie points for her civil disobedience but these county board members cower at the slightest sign of conflict.
And no one is saying what the SPECIFIC charge is that would be a class 6 felony.
Also, if they refuse to certify based on the actions of a separate county they would clearly lose their argument that they were not being derelict in executing their duties. However if it were their OWN county where there was fraud or even a legally cognizable argument that there was fraud, and they refused to certify, they’d have a solid leg to stand on.
The proper way to address the fraudulent action of a separate county is to issue a resolution that they do not accept the certification of the other counties, and yes, certify under duress and the INVESTIGATE the county attorney threatening to have them arrested!
Why are they not calling out these county officials by name?!?!
Make them famous.
JEEEEZUS republicans don’t know how to fight!
So not certifying a fraudulent election is a felony but actually cheating in the election gets you elected governor.
Okay, so get arrested. If it forces a recount, then Kari could get in and pardon your ass.