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SuspendBeforeYouBan 15 points ago +16 / -1

That's good. The State has every right to do this because Roe v. Wade is unconstitutional.

thunderpussy 10 points ago +10 / -0

If the people of Louisiana don't want to accept this, they can challenge it in the courts on other grounds, or can replace their elected officials if they want abortion.

That's called democracy, something the Democrats and left loathe.......

SuspendBeforeYouBan 7 points ago +8 / -1

It should have become very clear to anyone paying attention that the left only likes democracy when everyone votes the way they want and hates democracy when things don't go their way. That means they actually don't like democracy. I also don't like democracy but I don't pretend to like it when it works for me.

thunderpussy 9 points ago +9 / -0

"Pure" democracies never survive for long, as that is little more than bullying, or as the old saying goes, two wolves and a sheep deciding what is for dinner.......

The founding fathers knew this, and purposely did not set up the U.S. as a pure democracy.

The left doesn't care about democracy, the rule of law, or any of the other precepts that they spew. They only use the tools of government to obtain more power for themselves.

They care about power. Absolute, unaccountable power.

Nothing more, nothing less. Anyone that tells you differently is trying to sell you something, usually associated with what comes out of a bulls ass......

Faulkner 4 points ago +4 / -0

This is all true, but none of it applies to the present situation. Democracy is not our problem.

A malevolent autocracy is.

thunderpussy 3 points ago +3 / -0

That I agree with 100%...

Faulkner 2 points ago +2 / -0

Honestly, I would say that, if what I'll call "people of good will" ever get control of our country again (and I think they will, I just don't know how long it will take), they will need to address what to do with a republic that became significantly too democratic, especially over the course of the twentieth century, which contributed a lot to its demise or near demise today.

thunderpussy 2 points ago +2 / -0

There is merit in this. There are too many people who can vote themselves a lifestyle, who have absolutely little, to no skin in the game.

This cannot continue, as it is completely both politically and financially unstable and unsustainable.

We are getting damn close to the situation of two wolves and a sheep deciding on what to have for dinner type governing situation.....

SuspendBeforeYouBan 2 points ago +3 / -1

The biggest issue with the current form of America's democracy is the universal suffrage aspect. I think if things stayed roughly the way they originally were for most States where only white men who owned land could vote, we wouldn't have nearly the same amount of issues as we do today. Democracy under those suffrage options probably would have stayed mostly fine.

thunderpussy 4 points ago +4 / -0

There are a literal myriad of reasons why we are, where we are.

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thunderpussy 2 points ago +2 / -0

There is that option, and some states might actually improve if they left.....

Donaldsweiner 1 point ago +1 / -0

And based on her lying about her testimony!


Harper42190 5 points ago +7 / -2

Politicians need to tread carefully. Going too extreme on this is going to cost them votes. I'm nervouse about that across the country.

thunderpussy 5 points ago +5 / -0

Indeed, and not to recognize this would be a dangerous and stupid miscalculation on the part of MAGA supporters, many of which are NOT extreme, either.

Harper42190 5 points ago +5 / -0

The thing is, you need to win the voters in the middle. You can't give the other side any ammunition to gather those votes. Hopefully they do some polling and use some common sense. Right now the right runs majority of the states for state government, that can easily change if miscalculations are made in some of these states.

thunderpussy 4 points ago +4 / -0

I sincerely doubt that any abortion single issue voter would have EVER voted for the MAGA crowd in the first place.

That being said, going to extremes and too fast is usually not advisable......

That was the problem with Roe v Wade in terms of politics in the first place. There was no public consensus around the issue, and it was written in the broadest way possible, which made it's impact even more immediate and visceral, when the vast majority of the public was not at all on board with it.

Harper42190 3 points ago +3 / -0

Not to mention, my feeling on the topic is that if a mom (low life) has a child she doesn't want... It's going to be a trouble maker and then in 14,15,16 years... That kid is going to become society's problem.

thunderpussy 1 point ago +1 / -0

The problem with that logic is that children from the richest and most advantaged can end up the same way, and some children from the worst home environments imaginable succeed.

There are no guarantees in raising children. But everyone at least deserves the CHANCE to succeed.

Pretty hard to have a chance when you are in the medical waste dumpster, and your organs have been sold off to a dozen different university labs.......

Harper42190 4 points ago +4 / -0

Can but generally do not. Think black crime is bad now, 40% of all abortions are black.

thunderpussy 1 point ago +1 / -0

My moral and ethical beliefs about abortion do not center around race.

There are consequences to every action in life, including the cheapening of human life for convenience or profit, or political expediency...

Harper42190 1 point ago +1 / -0

I understand and respect that. I don't have strong opinions either way so I feel what you are saying.

thunderpussy 1 point ago +1 / -0

I certainly don't want to minimize any consequences, either.

It's a hell of a conundrum, and I do see your point clearly. It's one of the issues that I find most confounding , because aspects of it get real murky, really quick, if people would roll the tape forward....

sniffdeez 5 points ago +5 / -0

This is exactly what the left wants. For the Repubs to take an extreme stance like this to bring out the lefts base for the midterms. LA’s Governor is a dem, so this has zero chance of passing. So what are they trying to accomplish?

Harper42190 2 points ago +2 / -0

All it does is make him more popular once he vetos it ...dumb play

preferredfault 2 points ago +2 / -0

Too extreme?! Forcing it as national law through a SCOTUS ruling was what was really extreme. They need to take this shit and run with it while they can, otherwise Democrats will just normalize it back into existence as if the SCOTUS ruling never changed a thing, getting their way anyways, and making the overturning of Roe v Wade pointless. They need to hit hard on this. Treat abortion as murder, prosecute and imprison all those involved. Make it an uphill battle for Democrats. Make them go to court and argue why a persons prison sentence should be commuted for the murder of a baby by committing the crime of abortion. Make them try to argue that it wasn't taking another's life. Make them run through all the logic.

That's why Roe V Wade was soo egregious, it had no real debate, it was just pushed through by SCOTUS decree. They did that explicitly to avoid debate, because they knew they couldn't get around the simple logic of it being murder.

K-Harbour 1 point ago +1 / -0

Interesting. Refusing the clot shot to avoid murder sounds rational.

based_steakums 3 points ago +3 / -0

Beautiful! Why all these govs so based when it comes to abortion but they were so terrible with the covid? I mean, I'll certainly take the W, just wish they'd had a minimal amount of nuts when it came to the biofascism.

Kholland65 2 points ago +7 / -5

This sort of radical stance is not going to win us any followers.

I don’t really want a 14yr old girl rotting in prison for the rest of her life because she decided she didn’t wanted to have a baby 6 weeks into her pregnancy. I just don’t see that as the same as gunning someone down. Such a punishment would be cruel and archaic.

Doesn’t really matter because I don’t this will pass. It’s all for show.

zillat 3 points ago +4 / -1

We need to start putting up consequences for degeneracy. 14 years old girls shouldn't be out whoring around.

Froynlavenfroynlaven 1 point ago +2 / -1

Yeah, good luck stopping that from happening. The harder you try to stop teenagers from having sex the more they'll want it.

zillat 0 points ago +1 / -1

Teaching kids to act responsibly is not stopping them, it is empowering them to make good decisions. Good parenting prevents kids from having sex at 14.

zillat 1 point ago +1 / -0

...And yes if a 14 years old is having sex and gets pregnant, they should carry the child to term and seek someone to adopt the child.

preferredfault 1 point ago +1 / -0

It may be unfortunate, but so is a 10yo in the ghetto running around with a gun shooting people. Both are ignorant, both are committing murder. Also I would say there's an argument to be made that the people performing the abortion would be even more culpable. With them getting arrested left and right, or find themselves wanted in other states, the abortion profession would quickly dwindle even in blue states. They don't want to be driving or flying through Texas, only to be arrested for an abortion they performed on someone who flew to their state to get one at some point.

So really, you'd end up with a relatively small number of people getting punished before abortions become too legally risky of a profession. As more and more abortion doctors are arrested and imprisoned, more and more clinics will close, and at that point they won't even have the capacity. The backlog will be soo high, that most women won't even be able to get in before they're giving birth. They'll have to turn away 9 in 10 people seeking abortions, they'll have to run lotteries, and at that point people will start seeking abortion less and less, until it's effectively eradicated.

So no, it won't be millions of young girls ending up in prison. There's more people getting abortions, than there are abortion doctors. Once you burn through the doctors, there's no one left to perform abortions. It solves itself rather simply.

10's of millions of babies have been murdered....a few thousand people in prison in order to stop that, is on balance, far more moral. 10,000 teens in prison or 100,000,000 babies killed. Both aren't great prospects, but one sure as heck tips the scales more.

Kholland65 1 point ago +2 / -1

That was a lot of word vomit to say one very simple thing, you want anyone involved with abortion to rot in prison for murder, which to me is evil and cruel.

First of all not a single baby has been murdered so you can stop saying that. That is you’re perception but not the perception of most Americans. There is no logical basis for claiming that. A birth certificate doesn’t put down the day of conception, plan B is not murder, and a miscarriage is not involuntary manslaughter.

Early stage abortion is not murder because there is no baby. A zygote is not a human. I also rather a young girl be allowed to make the choice, not the government even if I don’t like her choice. I thought we were the side of freedom and body autonomy?

This is one issue I complete disagree with my own party on and have for many years and for a few fundamental reasons. It’s an issue that makes us look really bad because of the extreme viewpoint that people have. I think people like yourself ply right into the hands of liberals.

-god isn’t real and I don’t believe religion should have any bearing on policy in anything. Separation of church and state. -I don’t want babies being born into broken situations or overflowing orphanages which they invariable will be. I know many kids who grew up adopted or in foster homes and many of them did not have happy endings to their lives. Not every bastard child ends up in an affluent suburban family. -I don’t consider a zygote or other early stages of pregnancy to be human any more than an egg or sperm is human. A clump of cells is not human.

The logic of people who want an absolute ban doesn’t exists which is why still nobody has provided a logical argument to me as to why abortion should be banned. Just appeals to morality by repeating that it’s murder without an explanation as to why it would logically constitute murder. Their is cognitive dissonance and selective outrage at play here because if you feel early stage abortion is a sad loss of a potential life, then you should feel the same way every time a girl has a period without fertilization or a guy jerks off. The only difference is a few weeks, because neither resembles a human.

I also think this is being fueled by the fact that there are people who believe sex has no place outside of marriage or creating a baby. However, I don’t live in an Amish community or in the 17th century so I don’t feel that anyone who has sex not under these two circumstances is a whore, though I’m sure you any many others with such an absolutest view don’t feel that way (god help the women in your life).

You’re simply angry about this issue because you’ve been programmed to be by your religious leaders who also have no basis for their views that isn’t the Bible. You’re the NPC of the right. Religion is the cancer that lays dormant in the Republican Party. It creates RINO’s instead of libertarians, it creates extremists, and it creates authoritarians. It doesn’t create free thinking and free willed people.

At the end of the day, I ultimately don’t really care because I’m not dumb enough to ever need an abortion. I have had plenty of sex in my life used caution and contraception. I admit I’ve never understood how so many people have babies by mistake. I have a hard time fathoming how that happens in the year 2022.

preferredfault 0 points ago +1 / -1

"First of all not a single baby has been murdered so you can stop saying that. That is you’re perception but not the perception of most Americans. There is no logical basis for claiming that. "

If you believe that, your belief is just a product of Democrat manipulation. Perception doesn't have anything to do with it. Murder is murder, and Democrats normalized it for generations by shoving Roe V. Wade down the country's throat. They convinced people murder isn't murder, and that leads nowhere good. Eventually it leads to where murdering even adult humans is no longer seen as murder, if they don't share the same political ideology.

"I also rather a young girl be allowed to make the choice, not the government"

Allowing abortion is government making a choice. By giving rights a person doesn't and shouldn't have, because it takes away the rights of another person to live, is inherently wrong. Again, that type of logic can evolve into more things, and it indeed has, with abortions even being allowed all the way up to the day of birth, and given enough time, that affects society in ways that lead to the lessening of the respect and value of life, even without realizing how far they've been pulled by it. Your beliefs are a prime example of that, but not the culmination of that. As generations go on, it will get worse and worse.

"god isn’t real and I don’t believe religion should have any bearing on policy in anything"

This has nothing to do with god nor religion.

"I don’t want babies being born into broken situations or overflowing orphanages which they invariable will be"

So because someone might be born into a bad situation, you think people should have the right to deny them the right to live? Can't you see it? You're basically saying if someone is going to have some strife in their life, that they don't deserve to exist at all and to be aborted....or deserve to be able to take others lives by aborting them. Can't you see where that leads? The final form of liberalism is totalitarianism. The final form of abortion is state sanctioned genocide, and not just of aborted babies. We're looking at a very dark dystopia if human civilization continues to evolve with these policies.

The fact is, abortion has been normalized, but lots of things that were bad for societies have been normalized in the past and the course changed. You would likely think very differently about abortion today had it never been shoved down our throats through Roe V. Wade. Civilization can normalize anything. Sacrificing people for crops and gods on an alter used to be normalized. Normalized things aren't inherently good.

I can make some compromises for at very early stages, but the problem with that is they will never compromise, they will always push further and further, as we've seen them extend abortion all the way to birth. So it creeps from "OK, 1 month. OK, 3 months. Eh, why not 9 months?". And that leads to "Eh, we terminate undesirable babies at 9 months, why not beyond birth?". It's not as big of a leap as it might seem. It doesn't happen overnight, it doesn't happen over a decade, but it will eventually happen. The value of life becomes cheaper and cheaper.

Think about this: A minor inconvenience of using contraceptives or taking personal responsibility and self control are more inconveniencing to them than TAKING ANOTHERS LIFE. That by proxy makes taking another's life into a granted convenience. When murder becomes normalized, and even not seen as murder, for the sake of convenience, for the sake of avoiding responsibility for ones own actions, imagine where society engrained with such a concept will develop into. We've actually already seen part of the consequences of that, we're living in it, and those consequences will continue to increase as time goes on.

Society today would be very different if Roe V. Wade was never forced down our throats. More regard for personal responsibility. More US citizens that share American values. Even immigration policy would be affected if Roe V. Wade was never forced on us. And much much more. Roe V. Wade has had a greater effect on the world we live in than you realize, and virtually none of it good, especially on balance.

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preferredfault 1 point ago +1 / -0

Technically, ALL abortion is homicide now. There are no laws legalizing it, it is the taking of a life, therefore it falls under the standard definition of murder. Democrats are quietly hoping no one realizes that fact and that no one does anything about it, but where it needs to start is would be fathers reporting women for getting an abortion, as a crime. The police will have no choice but to handle the situation and make a determination, and that opens them up to liability if they don't act.

Johnkimble111 1 point ago +1 / -0

Someone should add the talk page of the Wikipedia abortion article to "Wikiproject: Crime", and add the article itself to the categories "crime" and "Violence against children"

Labyrinth9000 1 point ago +1 / -0

Keep it going former home state!