posted ago by yeldarb1983 ago by yeldarb1983 +6 / -0

Maybe it's just with streaming (youtube, bitchute, etc.), but every video I've watched so far that was in 60 FPS moves wrong to me, like it's dropping frames or something.

It's actually frustrating, because, while I avoid youtube as much as I can, the fiance and I still watch a few letsplayers on youtube, and I have to constant re-set the video resolution lower, because every so often, youtube thinks "oh, your internet doesn't suck a** right now, lemme make this look nicer for you" and I have to manually fix it, because it's distracting as heck.

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marvinthehaggler 6 points ago +6 / -0

This is the “Soap Opera Effect”.

Some TVs and perhaps computer softwares can counter the effect.

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yeldarb1983 [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

Thanks, looking at it now!

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marvinthehaggler 2 points ago +2 / -0

Based upon your description, I think this is your issue. The "more real than real" sort of issue. If it's lag, it's lag. But if it's that sort of "more real than real" issue, you need to essentially "slow down" the fps. With a TV, usually there is just a click yes/no setting. With a computer... all bets are off. Hope you get it fixed.

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yeldarb1983 [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

Okay, if my TV has that 'feature,' then I can't turn it off.

Ah well, not a biggie. I'll get a new tv eventually and we'll see where we're at.

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sackofwisdom 3 points ago +4 / -1

The content I'm making right now is shot at 60fps. Watcha think?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjiLr--u9UI

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yeldarb1983 [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

I think my Toshiba 37AV500U is a touch outdated for modern content and like other people said, that's probably the issue. =)

Off-topic, though, a few thoughts:

1)Love the concept, wish I A) had the stones, and B) had the rig to put it off, and C) had thought of it first. XP 2)I wanna pick on you about vertical video, but I don't wanna be a dick, either. 3)Could you mirror to bitchute if you aren't already? I'd love to have some gaming content subbed over there, and they have a tool for auto-mirroring if it helps. =) 4) any chance of unedited content somewhere? 5)Put your 'trip reports' I think you called them on some alttech/newtech site if you get a chance? Most of them don't care as long as you're not breaking the law, so yeah. 6)I just realized that smash may be the gateway drug between casual and hardcore gaming, lmao. 7)Holy cow, I haven't played smash in forever though ( I live in TX though, so probably not gonna be able to join you. [shrug])

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sackofwisdom 2 points ago +2 / -0

Showcasing two 16:9 videos in one widescreen video requires you to shrink them too much. Most people on mobile view vertically. I picked an aspect ratio that looks fine on mobile but not being too skinny for desktop.

I bought an M1 Mac mini. It's a beast for video editing under $1000. Less than the cost of a 30 series card. ;)

I lost most of my quality trip videos a few years ago, including my cloud backups. Google sucks. I need to figure out quality content I can make sober for now. haha

Unedited stuff... The longer videos do take a bit of time to render and upload. And at 2K 60fps the files are huge. I'm going to re-explore the idea later.

I think I'm just going to tighten up all the conversations as nice as I can but still letting the moments breathe.

I'm moving to TX this winter. Got any advice on cities with the most video production and art stuff going on besides Austin? You guys got anything like Austin but without the Portland/Boulder liberal vibes?

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yeldarb1983 [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

sackofwisdom Showcasing two 16:9 videos in one widescreen video requires you to shrink them too much. Most people on mobile view vertically. I picked an aspect ratio that looks fine on mobile but not being too skinny for desktop.

Nah, it's fine, I'm mostly teasing. =)

I bought an M1 Mac mini. It's a beast for video editing under $1000. Less than the cost of a 30 series card. ;)

I'll put together a better rig than I have now once I get some other priorities figured out. Thanks for the tip, though! =) (I had some components picked out that looked halfway decent for around $500, but yeah, priorities)

I lost most of my quality trip videos a few years ago, including my cloud backups.

Damn, that does suck, maybe you can find out if any fans archived them for you? (As an example, My fiance and I backed up all of markiplier's Unnus Annus stuff other than the final livestream, and we only missed that, because it was already up, and we weren't set up for that yet)

Google sucks.

No arguments here! I switch to Bing when google did their stupid "safesearch on moderate at all times: bs a few years back. Man, I couldn't believe microsoft actually made a product that didn't suck, lmao. But I switched to DuckDuckGo a few years after that and never looked back.

I need to figure out quality content I can make sober for now. haha

What's the old saying? "Reality is for people who can't handle drugs" ? Something like that

Unedited stuff... The longer videos do take a bit of time to render and upload. And at 2K 60fps the files are huge. I'm going to re-explore the idea later.

I think I'm just going to tighten up all the conversations as nice as I can but still letting the moments breathe.

Not a big deal, I just like seeing unedited stuff sometimes, do what works for you. =)

I'm moving to TX this winter. Got any advice

Don't bother putting your summer clothes away and keep some of your winter stuff handy as well. =P Lol, but seriously, the winters here are...bipolar to put it mildly...

...on cities with the most video production and art stuff going on besides Austin? You guys got anything like Austin but without the Portland/Boulder liberal vibes?

Well, I don't know for sure about video/art production, but I know Dallas is where iD Software is located, though the traffic was something else the last time I went to Dalls... To be fair though, that's the biggest city I've ever visited, and the biggest I ever lived in was Cedar Rapids, IA, so adjust your expectations accordingly, lol.

I think Dallas/Ft Worth was red last election if that helps? Edit: I know they do a lot of Cons, though, if that helps.

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mvrak 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yes, I decided back in the days of CRT monitors that anything less than 100 Hz is obviously not smooth. Now it is like 25 years later and still people think 60 fps is somehow good.

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yeldarb1983 [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

to be fair, refresh rates arent as big of an issue with LCD TVs that they were with CRTs.

God I miss those old tanks, though.

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Torrvarpen 2 points ago +2 / -0

The higher FPS the smoother it should be, but it's true that streaming services constantly lower your resolution by a lot to save bandwidth so if you really wanna enjoy 60 FPS download the video first, then watch it.

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yeldarb1983 [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

Could be, but it doesn't seem to be a resolution issue.

I dunno, maybe my computer/tv cant handle it (TV maxes out at 1080i, so yeah), but it doesn't look like a quality thing, it looks like things move unnaturally fast or something.

hell maybe im just turning into a luddite, i dunno...

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Torrvarpen 4 points ago +4 / -0

1080i means it does max 30 FPS at 1920x1080. You need 1080p to run that resolution at 60FPS, I'm guessing your source can handle 60FPS without bigger issues but your TV can't, so the TV tries to correct the output using it's own slow processor, hence the lag.

Typically you can adjust the TV settings so that it won't attempt to fix something it cannot fix anyway.

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yeldarb1983 [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

Mmm. Yeah, that makes sense. It's an older tv by a bit (I stopped buying new when I spent ~$400 on a tv that barely made it out of the extended service plan before frying itself, and a pawn shop special I picked up for $70 I still have somewhere, other than a overused HDMI port, still works almost ten years later. )

I just checked my settings, and I forgot that if I try to set it to anything other than a 16:10 ratio, it wants to do weird things with the dimensions of the image, and while I'm cool with 4:3 for content that was recorded in the aspect, I don't want constant pillar boxes, a tiny image in the middle of the screen, or anything shoved off the edge of the screen, either, so I have to keep it at 1366x768 when using it as a second screen for the PC via HDMI if I want to retain my sanity. Other sources look okay, though. (I'd use VGA and a phono line, but I haven't got a VGA cable that long, and I have too many cluttered cable runs as it is.)

Probably some conflict with Wayland Compositor, or Intel graphics drivers for linux, I'm guessing?

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Torrvarpen 1 point ago +1 / -0

GNU+Linux user myself, intel graphics tend to work pretty well, both on X and wayland, at least the open source drivers, those proprietary ones tend to break, especially nvidia. But in this case it does sounds a lot like it's the TV, could be the hdmi cable too but that would have caused other issues than lag and dropped frames.

Seems like buying a new TV might be your best bet, 1080p has become much more affordable lately. Avoid Chinese crap and those "smart" TV's. Samsung tend to work well but their capacitors typically break after 5 year or so, easy and cheap to replace. Otherwise I'd recomend LG or Philips, had pretty good luck with them both.

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yeldarb1983 [S] 2 points ago +3 / -1

Yeah, I've been thinking on a new tv for a while, but things have come up lately, and it's way low on the list of priorities, or id have had it a long time ago by now. For now...it works more or less, and I'm perfectly happy with 360p-720p on youtube videos most of the time anyway, though I wanna strangle somebody when it drops down to 240 or 144p. Automated downsampling leaves a lot to be desired, just saying.

Avoid Chinese crap and those "smart" TV's.

Yeah, if I'm gonna get something made in a rice paddy, It's gonna come from Japan, or maybe Good Korea, lol.

and "smart tvs"? No.

capacitors

Industry issue, sadly. I talked to a tv repair guy when the $400 Emerson took a dump. Said it used to be, the manufacturers would put in fuses and on top of that, use caps that were at least twice what they needed, (that's why your old CRT tv still works after 50 years). Now, they do away with the fuses and let the bare minimum caps act as fuses. What do they care? Most people wont bother to repair it and just go buy a new one anyway.

I've heard good things about LG and Philips. The one I'm rocking now is a Toshiba, and it works great too, other than being outdated as we've discussed. I've also had shockingly good luck with Sanyo. That $70 used job? A Sanyo.

Just make sure whatever you get, you steer clear of anything manufactured on the backend by "Funai." They either own or get outsourced to by a lot of what used to be "trustworthy" brands, and they make absolute garbage. If it says "manufactured by Funai" or something similar, just keep stepping.

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mvrak 2 points ago +2 / -0

TV maxes out at 1080i

into a luddite

Yes, you are. 4k TV/60fps TVs are dirt cheap. 4k/120 will be standard for low tier within a couple years. I'm not talking interleaving I mean actual 120.

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yeldarb1983 [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

4k TV/60fps TVs are dirt cheap.

Maybe, but other priorities have to come first right now. Fiance needs to get teeth pulled so they stop giving him infections, and our pickup just threw a rod. If you don't know what that is ( I didn't) it means the engine is fubbernucked until I can get it rebuilt. I can't justify any purchase of $100 or more that isn't a bill or groceries until those are dealt with, lol.

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mvrak 2 points ago +2 / -0

I wish you were here i got so much stuff not being used :-|

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yeldarb1983 [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

Got any high-paying jobs lying around? lol, kidding.

I'd feel bad taking stuff from people, why I don't put up a crowdfunder. Thought about letsplaying, but I always chicken out last minute.

Plus my rig is le~old and I'm kinda boring off the cuff.^D^

'preciate the thought, though friend!

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Assassin47 2 points ago +2 / -0

Sounds like multiple issues going on here. Some are fixable, others are simply your perception/preference. I kind of understand the latter, although I've gotten used to it now and it doesn't bother me so much. (even interpolated psuedo-60fps is fine, although it still looks like a soap opera or TV documentary)

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yeldarb1983 [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

Like I said, I'll deal.

My comp needs all the help it can get these days, lol.

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DennJW 1 point ago +1 / -0

I saw a 48fps movie in the theaters and felt the same way for about ~30min. Then I got used to it, and for a few days, 24fps movies looked like dog shit.

Same with the 60fps 4k "The Martian", on my computer.

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mechdork 0 points ago +1 / -1

OK, most videos are "broadcast" at 24FPS. Many displays are capable of 60/120 sometimes higher FPS and many will digitally enhance lower framerate videos by filling in the gaps between frames resulting in a very "fluid like" video.

Some people like this, some people (like me) don't.

Now some videos are actually "broadcast" at the higher framerates but if your connection (internet or ota signal quality) degrades then the extra frames may be omitted at times, resulting in the annoying "skipping" that you describe.

Personally I stick with 1080 @ 24FPS as much as possible.. sure it's less eye candy but results in more reliable playback quality. To me consistency is more important than the ooo shiny factor. A constant 24FPS looks better to be than having a video constantly jump between 60 to 24 because the server is a bit overloaded and can't handle the bandwidth.

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mechdork 0 points ago +1 / -1

excuse me.. most live broadcast events are 30fps... most shows are 24fps.

I swear you're worse than a liberal... just go suck Mike's dick already and get it over with.

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