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posted ago by ianpatrick1966 ago by ianpatrick1966 +15 / -1

Looking to start carrying a degoogle phone and wondering what the best ones are to degoogle.

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BeetlejuiceForSenate 4 points ago +4 / -0

https://grapheneos.org/faq#supported-devices

Pixel 5 (redfin) Pixel 4a (5G) (bramble) Pixel 4a (sunfish) Pixel 4 XL (coral) Pixel 4 (flame) Pixel 3a XL (bonito) Pixel 3a (sargo) Pixel 3 XL (crosshatch) Pixel 3 (blueline)

GrapheneOS will never include either Google Play services or another implementation of Google services like microG. See the FAQ section for more details on our plans for filling in the gaps from not shipping Play services and Google apps.

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rosie 2 points ago +2 / -0

Second this. GrapheneOS is really the only safe option. All others, including CalyxOS, LineageOS, etc. have major privacy/security issues.

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my-oh-mai 1 point ago +1 / -0

What are the major/security issues you speak of?

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rosie 1 point ago +1 / -0

Disables verified boot

Weakens SELinux policies

Lacks proper update security, including rollback protection

Adds substantial attack surface (i.e. FFmpeg along libstagefright)

Merges in questionable alpha-quality code

Leaves the bootloader unlocked

Users must flash the firmware and vendor partitions monthly

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JesusChristLives 1 point ago +1 / -0

"Safe" if you only wish to de-google, as Qualcomm's hardware is not to be trusted.

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rosie 1 point ago +1 / -0

Ummm. . . installing GrapheneOS IS deg00gling your phone.

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JesusChristLives 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yeah it does, I'm just pointing out how the hardware itself contains flaws.

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rosie 1 point ago +1 / -0

Pretty sure all phone hardware has flaws.

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BeetlejuiceForSenate 2 points ago +3 / -1

There are plenty of used Pixels on the market

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krzyzowiec 1 point ago +1 / -0

Google hardware is garbage, and their support is even worse. I bought a Nexus 6p which had a wonderful defect where the cpu cores would slowly separate until the device failed to boot any longer.

Talking to them about some compensation, the Indian named “Brad” told me to go to the Chinese company who made the phone, who pointed me back to Google…

Eventually there was a class action lawsuit, but wow what a waste of time that was. I haven’t heard of Apple treating any customer that badly.

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krzyzowiec 1 point ago +1 / -0

Not saying you should. I don't like any of these companies. At least don't treat your customer like total garbage though. I felt like I had been scammed by Google. I told them that if I knew I was renting a phone for two years, I wouldn't have spent the money.

I will say that I bought a Moto G Power for my mom, and it's an excellent phone for the price. ($230 or so) The battery life is actually 2 day, the phone is snappy, and everything is quite nice other than the camera not being amazing. You get what you pay for though.

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tentonbudgie 1 point ago +1 / -0

I went with an LG flip phone. Why do I need a smart phone so bad? Turns out I don't. A month without it cured me of the idea that they're so great that I simply must have one.

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tentonbudgie 1 point ago +1 / -0

4g is still live

When that goes, no more cell phone for me

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tentonbudgie 1 point ago +1 / -0

It's close enough for me. I can take out the battery if I'm going to my secret freemason meeting, it doesn't have an accelerometer, and while there's data I'm not using it for anything, so it's a physical location tracker if I decide to take it with me.

To and from work most of the time, who cares.

Also I paid cash for the phone and the cards, so I don't care about the little they'll get from me, it wouldn't hold up in court. They'd actually have to put a detective on teh case to go anywhere with it.

I'm almost ready to let it go altogether but I would like to be able to call AAA.

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b0ss 1 point ago +1 / -0

/E/ solution for Samsung phones.

Just search for "e foundation" and you can search through many Samsung devices.

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ShitComment 2 points ago +2 / -0

Graphene is good have not had any issues w/ it. But if u want to steer clear of G. Then get a sony and install sailfish os.

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TheImpossible1 1 point ago +2 / -1

Probably one of the Lenovo/Motorola ones. But those are Chinese. Depends what you think is worse, I suppose.

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BoomCannon 0 points ago +1 / -1

Uhm. Yes. They do support all of the three letter agencies. That’s the problem.

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Jackyboi123 0 points ago +1 / -1

Why on earth would you want to degoogle? Btw did you know samsung wanted to do that in 2015, they had tizen os already but google got them by the balls by investing in google services. Good news is huawei also has huawei services... I say your best option is huawei. All alternative os are a pain in the ass

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rosie 1 point ago +1 / -0

Why on earth would you want to use Google Services?

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Jackyboi123 1 point ago +1 / -0

A lot of apps rely on google services

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rosie 1 point ago +1 / -0

Most apps have non-g00gle versions or good replacements. The few that don't (Spotify, banking, etc.) can be run from the Web site.