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krzyzowiec 12 points ago +16 / -4

This guy is ridiculous. So you are better off using Facebook Messenger, which is totally proprietary and created by a company that you know is harvesting your information, than Telegram, which at least has an open-source client?

There is a reason everything is not end-to-end encrypted by default, and that’s because this is not a desirable feature if you want multiple devices to access the content, something that this guy doesn’t seem to understand.

End to end means from one device to another. If you want to use multiple devices to access the same content, you have to fake it like Signal does or use an encrypted cloud the way Telegram does.

What happens if you lose your device? If you are using real end to end encryption, your data is GONE. No way to recover it. That’s intentional. If you want to be able to load your messages on a new device by logging back in, then that will only work without end to end encryption.

What this guy is doing is taking features that Telegram intentionally chose as a reasonable compromise between security and convenience, and then attacking them for it lol.

If you are so concerned about security that you don’t care about data retention, then just use secret chats 24/7 and you are covered. Most people would rather have the convenience and opt into the security where they really need it.

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krzyzowiec 6 points ago +7 / -1

Yeah yeah, downvote me. At least I am giving logical criticisms here. You have nothing.

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redtoe-skipper -2 points ago +1 / -3

What happens if you lose your device? If you are using real end to end encryption, your data is GONE. No way to recover it.

Well actually, that is what passphrases for encryption are for.

The messages live decentralized, and the only way to read it's contents, is to use the decryption key, the passphrase.

You can recover the messages if you were to lose your device.

Data retention is a different thing. You can, of course, but the question is: why would you want to?

Do you really want to retain that message where your chatfriend exclaims: I wanne kill the SOB? Shiiieeet!

Or those red ear messages from your date? To what end? Memoires are best written offline. ;-)

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krzyzowiec 4 points ago +4 / -0

The messages live decentralized, and the only way to read it's contents, is to use the decryption key, the passphrase.

You can recover the messages if you were to lose your device.

Not when the data is stored on your phone such as in the case of Signal. Someone who is interested in end-to-end encryption is not going to want their data stored on Signal's servers anyway.

Do you really want to retain that message where your chatfriend exclaims: I wanne kill the SOB? Shiiieeet!

Or those red ear messages from your date? To what end? Memoires are best written offline. ;-)

I don't mind. I'm not paranoid enough to not trust anyone, and all messages are encrypted by default in Telegram anyway. I'm definitely one of those people that prefers to do things face to face so I definitely agree with you on that last point.

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Rose111234 6 points ago +6 / -0

“Don’t use telegram” but the message is on YouTube YouTube + Google ≠ Privacy

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tentonbudgie 1 point ago +1 / -0

How about Signal? I hear that's secure. What's the deal with Signal?

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Panzerkampfwagen 0 points ago +1 / -1

Signal turned out to just be a scam for pushing MobileCoin, so avoid that at all costs.

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Void 0 points ago +2 / -2

i love luke smith