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Xanisor 53 points ago +53 / -0

I always like to recommend Mullvad VPN since it is in Sweden and the owners have a great track record. My second choice would be AirVPN. Stay away from PrivateInternetAccess, that was my old favorite, but they sold out to some Israeli secret service guy.

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lilmarketeer 23 points ago +23 / -0

Seconded for Mullvad. No email just a 16 digit account number and you can pay with bitcoin or even cash. It reminds me of those Swiss banks. Also incredibly easy to use and fast

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Bucktooth34 9 points ago +9 / -0

I've been learning about Mullvad and using an account number just make sense.

How can a VPN claim they don't keep logs if they require a email to sign up for their service? Them having your email is a log... Mullvad just makes sense when you look at it this way.

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WinningAnyway 2 points ago +2 / -0

There's something called "email on deck" for that.

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lilmarketeer 4 points ago +4 / -0

Not necessarily untraceable. But definitely harder to trace

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TSquad 3 points ago +4 / -1

BCH is far less compromised than BTC (as it's the original Satoshi recipe, among other things implemented by BTC's rogue/sold out devs), just sayin'.

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KonyHawk_ProSlaver 18 points ago +18 / -0

I like that Mullvad only has 1 payment plan. 1 month = $5. No locking you in to 3 years before you even know how it will perform.

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gorillachannel 5 points ago +5 / -0

5 Euro, I think like $6 USD.

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CelesteD 3 points ago +3 / -0

Can you pay for multiple months? I prefer batch pays so I have a sort of buffer time period to remember to pay again.

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KonyHawk_ProSlaver 3 points ago +3 / -0

Yes, any number of months, I think can be prepaid.

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CelesteD 2 points ago +2 / -0

thanks!

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ngc6086 8 points ago +8 / -0

These two. Mullvad. Make a account get a cash code send cash and wait ~2-3 weeks. Boom account paid and ready to go with no info. All other payment methods leave a trail. All other VPN's have more info on that trail.

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overrun 4 points ago +4 / -0

Could you detail this more for a US resident? Are you saying to send them cash directly?

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ngc6086 7 points ago +7 / -0

You create a account. In that account you can pay with many options. But the way I would do it is simple. Click pay with Cash. Print the code out. Only use it one time. Then send cash in one of the supported currency's and wait two weeks. No return and drop it at the post office. Wait 1-4 weeks takes about 2. Check your account every day after 1 week and boom account active. Send what you feel is safe. First hand $100 is fine. I had another thought to do them 1x /week for a month with $20-40 but just said YOLO.

All other forms of payment link back for I think up to 8 months.

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shadows_of_the_mind [S] 8 points ago +9 / -1

I read anything that's in the 5 Eyes, 9 Eyes, or 14 Eyes is to be avoided. PIA doesn't fall into any of them, but Israel acts as like an associate of the Eyes despite not being a "member". What's your thoughts on Nord? Its based in Panama and I can get a discount + support some of youtube creators bc they're sponsored by it.

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JesusMaga 4 points ago +4 / -0

Wasn’t there some sort of kerfuffle over nordVPN last year? Don’t remember the details

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techmeme 9 points ago +9 / -0

Nord lost their private key, so anyone can impersonate a Nord server. To my suprise, they never did release new keys to this day. The good news is it doesn't directly affect you unless you sign on to a fake nord server.

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/10/hackers-steal-secret-crypto-keys-for-nordvpn-heres-what-we-know-so-far/

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fegeline 4 points ago +5 / -1

Sweden is part of the 14 eyes, but it's not really a big issue since we're talking about the most naive country in the world, with enough bureaucracy to hide legal loopholes and corruption in plain sight, and get away with it.

Service providers are required to store information about their customers, meanwhile, the EU laws says that personal data must be GDPR compliant, which means it cannot be stored unless there's a good reason for it. GDPR also requires that on customers request, all personal data must be removed.

Once the law enforcement show up and request personal data about a certain customer, it's either "expired", or whoops, the storage server just crashed, or darn it, the storage room just burned down, what a shame huh. Not to mention that some service providers has found ways to not store any personal data at all.

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marsajane1949 5 points ago +5 / -0

I shouldn’t be using PIA? I’ve used them for years. What’s this EYES shit? First I’ve heard about it and I’m no novice

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pswho11 12 points ago +12 / -0

“The Five Eyes (FVEY) is an intelligence alliance comprising Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom and the United States. These countries are parties to the multilateral UKUSA Agreement, a treaty for joint cooperation in signals intelligence.”

I am newb but basically you should avoid vpns from those countries because they share advance intelligence so even if you think you’re hidden with a VPN you can still be tracked. I believe there were either leaks or releases that went in to depth about how capable they are. I’m sure another pede can give a much better explanation/correct me hah..

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rosie 3 points ago +3 / -0

I'm using NordVPN.

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20KAG20 3 points ago +4 / -1

So am I and I’ve heard Nord sells data. I’ll be ditching it once my subscription runs out.

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rosie 2 points ago +2 / -0

Where did you hear that? I did quite a bit of research on them before I went with them, and I didn't find anything of the sort.

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20KAG20 3 points ago +3 / -0

It was on a privacy forum a couple months back. One issue is, it’s a massive VPN and the bigger the VPN, the more eyes on it.

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bighotbaconizer 8 points ago +8 / -0

Selling data is just rumourmongering and who knows where it came from. Nord has tried to debunk that rumour time and again.

I like them because they’re not in a 5 eyes jurisdiction (Panama), they use no-log, and they play nice with TOR.

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DeadRepublic 2 points ago +2 / -0

Its a dream of mine. Im sure it wouldn't happen but it would be cool. Crowd source a bunch of servers and put them in a micronation out of the reach of any outside pressure and keep it as secret as possible....that would be nice.

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DrinkMoreLibTears 7 points ago +7 / -0

Absolutely Mullvad

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NonyaDB 29 points ago +30 / -1

I use ProtonVPN since it came with my ProtonMail subscription.
I've got it set up on my Untangle firewall (free version) at home and configured it so it "recycles" every hour which means every hour it jumps from server to server, city to city around the U.S.
That combined with the firewall using NextDNS and using the ungoogled-chromium browser, and all my mobile devices using NextDNS pretty much kills tracking dead.

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InfiniteWinning 14 points ago +15 / -1

I use ProtonVPN and Mail. Paying member. They are highly transparent. Their entire VPN is open sourced. Check out their blogs for more info.

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rosie 19 points ago +22 / -3

Yah, I'm not buying that. That article reads like someone has an ax to grind. Here are a couple links to read:

https://www.techspot.com/news/82776-protonmail-review-secure-email-really-secure.html

https://restoreprivacy.com/email/reviews/protonmail/

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modscalledmeacuck -5 points ago +1 / -6

chloeayling sealofapproval

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overrun 9 points ago +10 / -1

I remember when that came out, had been of protonmail dor several years when I read it. Still with them but never doubled-back to see if there were more sources to these claims. Agree that it is a hit piece.

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Kottonballs 1 point ago +1 / -0

Username checks out. ;)

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anon12 2 points ago +3 / -1

I'll be laughing when protonmail gets openly fucked and all these naive retards who cried "muh biased random weirdo" gets what they deserve.

In fact, its already happening right now with the people who run the "De-google" project on Github

I mean christ, nothing the dude said was false and only now are some people starting to realize, "hey, maybe using an email host lead-developed by a Chinese dude who now works at Google and weirdos from CERN who don't even use the service themselves wasn't the smartest idea".

Don't give up on posting these kinds of things btw, people are slow to learn and stubborn to give up on things they've grown attached to (I'm still trying to get off Gmail myself; done a decent job in most other places of my internet life though), but these sorts of things help.

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shadows_of_the_mind [S] 5 points ago +5 / -0

I’ve never used a VPN before, so what kind of performance drops do you see when using it? I’m getting 1gig internet through Optimum (bleh) because it’s the only ISP that services my area. I’ve read that using a VPN, depending on the service, your speeds can plummet bc of the latency between your device and the whatever server in Somalia you’re connected to.

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NonyaDB 6 points ago +6 / -0

I'm not really seeing a huge drop. Sure, there is a little drop but not much because I'm still using their U.S. servers.
On my GrapheneOS-powered Pixel 4a I'm using their secure core VPN which tunnels everything out of VPN servers located in Switzerland.

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atomical 2 points ago +2 / -0

Been thinking of getting a pixel 4a 5G (it has a bigger screen) for this exact purpose. I would go with calyx for sure but my friends are trying to convince me I’m paranoid for being that hardcore about privacy.

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tentonbudgie 2 points ago +2 / -0

I'm a big fan of dumping your smart phone altogether and not ever touching any device that has an accelerometer again. I had no idea how evil those things are and what can be learned about you with sensors.

The new Apple watch is supposed to be able to track your blood alcohol level. Imagine for a moment that Apple knew what your BAC, HR, and movements were all night, and Amazon knew what you were watching on TV, and OnStar knew where your car was, and they all started talking to each other through your medical records. That's actually not very fine detail either, there's a lot more on you at each of those points, but wow put it all together.

There's no way I would have agreed to this in the beginning.

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marsajane1949 2 points ago +2 / -0

Your bandwidth speed won’t really slow down. Your latency is what you need to worry about

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ThickCheney 1 point ago +1 / -0

What’s GrapheneOS and how consumer friendly is it?

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rosie 4 points ago +4 / -0

GrapheneOS is a degoogled Android. CalyxOS is another one. GrapheneOS is more secure; CalyxOS is more user friendly.

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NonyaDB 4 points ago +4 / -0

duck-duck-go it and read up on it. It's fairly consumer friendly provided you read up on it.

Also...

Big Tech Alternatives: The Primer
https://ghostbin.co/paste/6r6x4

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RandomAnon78 6 points ago +7 / -1

Quant it instead because I hear DDG is very friendly with Google lately

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deeluna 1 point ago +1 / -0

Source on that? That's a majorly important detail.

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modscalledmeacuck 3 points ago +3 / -0

ill stick with startpage/onesearch

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overrun 1 point ago +1 / -0

invidious video link is long dead unfortunately

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ShakeSpoon 3 points ago +3 / -0

IMO the top 3 performance impacts are latency, bandwidth, and CPU usage. The first 2 are usually not a problem unless your VPN puts you on an overloaded node, in that case you can usually just turn the VPN off and on again to get a new connection. If you're running the VPN on an older/weak CPU it may limit your bandwidth since the processor needs to encrypt/decrypt all that data. The faster you're downloading/uploading the more work the CPU needs to do. I've only run into this issue on mini PC's.

For less important tasks such as streaming and downloading games you can setup a split tunnel like gorillachannel said below. This allows you to use your regular full speed internet for basic stuff while still keeping your other activities private.

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gorillachannel 3 points ago +3 / -0

Sometimes there's almost no performance hit, sometimes you might "only" get 600mb on a 1gb connection. But you can turn it on and off. You can put it on some devices and not others. And with some companies like Proton you can split tunnel different apps or websites. I think this is coming soon to Mullvad too.

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wadewatts 1 point ago +1 / -0

Can you point to any guides on "recycling" it hourly? I am going to spinup a pfsense firewall.

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NonyaDB 3 points ago +3 / -0

You just set a cron job to recycle the service.

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tl3c0 14 points ago +15 / -1

I have always used PIA even when I was overseas.

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FuckCuomo 15 points ago +17 / -2

+1 for Private Internet Access VPN

  • Cheap
  • Fast and allows torrenting
  • Windows AND mobile apps
  • They publish an annual privacy report about what government agencies requested user information and what they gave them (hint: nothing).
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iamnotademocrat2 5 points ago +5 / -0

May I say I think your user name....says it all for everyone here...THANK you for your statement....

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DNA1 9 points ago +9 / -0

PIA was bought by another company as stated in this thread's top post. They held true to their no-logs policy as tested in court in the past, but who knows what has or will change?

Here's an older Reddit thread on this topic - https://old.reddit.com/r/PrivateInternetAccess/comments/e0kq68/longtime_pia_user_here_run_dont_walk_away_from/

It's a shame since they have so many servers, are fast, decent app, support multiple concurrent devices, cheap, etc., but I don't think I can in good faith recommend them as a VPN choice any longer. Especially not without noting the major asterisk.

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Genericwhitemale 2 points ago +2 / -0

Only downside is they're USA based

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my_pw_is_mypassword 10 points ago +10 / -0

Mullvad for regular VPN.

ProtonVPN free as my fallback. You know, for when you forget to pay you mullvad bill. >.<

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What_password 6 points ago +6 / -0

I've used blackvpn and that was good, but it costs more than others. Heard good things about Mullvad. Currently using surfshark and I'm liking it. They don't keep logs, but I'd recommend reviewing it further to make sure it meets your needs privacy wise.

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KillaKrayon 4 points ago +4 / -0

I can say SurkShark works well for VPN connection - They lack enough ports thought. What I mean by this is getting around blocks. Even when I go through their OpenVPN config files to use TCP I haven't found any that connect via 443 (SSL). They always seem to use 1194. If you're looking for something that is going to be unblocking on the network your connecting through you may need to look elsewhere. I wouldn't use TCP for VPN connections outside of SSL anyway so the fact they offer TCP under 1194 is kind of mind boggling (4 way handshake and re-transmission isn't good for VPN traffic). I am on one of their 2 year plans and still have a PIA account for now to get around blocking of networks. Their client allows for TCP 443 and even porting traffic out UDP 53 to mimic DNS which is less likely to be blocked by networks. I have gone as far as using PIA to get out of the network under 443, and then connect to SurfShark through that tunnel to hide from Mossad.

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gorillachannel 4 points ago +4 / -0

I vote Mullvad.

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Usemypronouns 4 points ago +5 / -1

i use nord and it works fine for me

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modscalledmeacuck 3 points ago +3 / -0

ive used them for yrs and they work fine too

the problem with wht i just said is ive nvr needed to pay for nord since im leeching of them pastebin site(same with hulu)

the only vpn i would advice against is torguard cause they hired tomsparks to be their 24/7shill

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Tellsyouhow 2 points ago +2 / -0

Any advice on how to find such things on pastebin? I occasionally find login dumps online and use them but no idea how to actually find such things myself on pastebin

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thebest2020 3 points ago +3 / -0

What about companies like SurfShark?

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rosie 3 points ago +3 / -0

NordVPN is one of the few outside of the Five/Nine/14 Eyes alliances.

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r3f3 3 points ago +3 / -0

ProtonVPN or Mullvad

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1A2A 3 points ago +3 / -0

Where did the post with all the recommended procedures/programs go?

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apchrkey 3 points ago +3 / -0

Tor

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easedel 2 points ago +2 / -0

I still can't find any onions to save my damn life

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TheRealPizzaPope 1 point ago +1 / -0

just don't use it with Windows. Tails is a pretty fucking cool OS if you want near maximum privacy.

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Star_Commander 2 points ago +5 / -3

None. ALL VPNs are happy to share logs with feds. Use TOR.

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LameNRG 7 points ago +7 / -0

pretty sure TOR has been compromised, on a few occasions.

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rosie 3 points ago +3 / -0

Not all VPNs. Read up on Five Eyes, Nine Eyes, 14 Eyes. Some VPNs are outside of those countries.

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Star_Commander 0 points ago +4 / -4

I'm quite familiar with them, read up on companies that took money and lied through their teeth about "no logs"

https://techcrunch.com/2019/10/21/nordvpn-confirms-it-was-hacked/

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SirBuzzKillingtonVI 2 points ago +2 / -0

I remember reading that it's not wise to use both TOR and a VPN simultaneously. Do you know the reason for this?

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techmeme 2 points ago +2 / -0

AFAIK VPN's can send you bad entry guard nodes to hijack your Tor connection, however a VPN doing that is an even greater risk to be using without Tor.

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Lookthething 2 points ago +2 / -0

Pretty sure protonvpn doesn't even store logs. You definitely could be correct with vpns that do though.

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VinnyMAGA 2 points ago +2 / -0

PIA was giving me too many problems so I started using Atlas VPN. It works great even for the free version and gives you NY and LA for free. Unfortunately not chrome/Brave extension yet for Atlas unlike PIA.

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EvilGuy 2 points ago +2 / -0

I like to setup my own vpn on a cheap vps server from a company that accepts cryto payments. I pay this with crypto I mine myself. Zero paper trail. Costs around 5 bucks a month generally.

I am a techie though, but this is the only way to really make sure there are no logs since you can set it up that way yourself.

I like one called shock hosting currently. I used to use Vultr but they kind of give me bad vibes these days for some reason.

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logos 1 point ago +1 / -0

curious to here why vultr is giving you bad vibes

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EvilGuy 1 point ago +1 / -0

Too big for starters, also I had a couple weird tickets with them when I was last using them like a year or a year and a half ago.

Really don't get a supporting free speech vibe from them. Also their trustpilot and other reviews are pretty terrible.

Would not recommend and since they are doing nothing special its not hard to find alternatives.

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sickofaltspin 2 points ago +2 / -0

Behold the holy wars primary battleground

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DB_Pickins 2 points ago +2 / -0

I like protonVPN, they have a fantastic email service as well

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keoyome 2 points ago +2 / -0

Is Torguard good? I see a lot of people use Mullvad and some use proton vpn. I have a protonmail account so I can switch to proton vpn with ease if torguard sucks.

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apchrkey 2 points ago +2 / -0

Tor

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TTCthrowaway 2 points ago +2 / -0

I used expressvpn but it still recognized where I was from. Anyone know any good vpn I could use on 4chin when I get banned?

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VinnyMAGA 2 points ago +2 / -0

Atlas is free on Android and has been working great for me with 24/7 use.

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TTCthrowaway 1 point ago +1 / -0

For 4chin?

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2HollowFangs 2 points ago +2 / -0

What router do you recommend?

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Wyzer 2 points ago +2 / -0

I had ProtonVPN for over a year, just paid the year in full.

I am no expert by any means, but I had tons of issues with ProtonVPN; App would not allow phone to connect to WiFi or Data; killswitch would not always disable and would have to reset configuration; DNS leaks, Servers blocking sites, yet it was the VPN server; WebRTC detected; Slow Speeds and limited servers under the paid plan (I would often resort to the free servers for more BW) and so on.

I decided to try Mullvad. No issues what so ever with DNS Leaks/WebRTC, blocked sites. Once I configured the proxy per Mullvad, no issues with speed either, I have 2-4Mbps less then without VPN running (PVPN was always 50% or less). I like the fact it has a small GUI that auto-starts when my PC does, and have been using Wireguard this whole time. On my other devices, no issue there either, haven't had a single issue, and the "always on VPN" is actually working!

Things I do miss about ProtonVPN though? Tor connection and the "allow local network" actually worked really well when it came to Browers items.

So for me, I will be purchasing Mullvad until something else as low cost and well running comes along.

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LikeAWombatScorned 1 point ago +1 / -0

Private Internet Access or Proton VPN. I run one of these on the hardware firewall that protects my home network.

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GeauxTrump20 1 point ago +1 / -0

I clicked on a malware link on the patriots.win By accident and now eff.org is tracking my IP address you should check if you’re DNS server is leaking your IP address to them.

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TheTexan 1 point ago +1 / -0

I like trustzone. Want to do it for with me because is that they are based in a country that has zero sharing agreements with any other country and does not keep any of your records other than when you pay them. That pretty much narrows it down to anything based in the Seychelles

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2024TrumpWin 1 point ago +1 / -0

https://www.nyashanation.com/2021/03/afghan-war-female-tv-workers.html

Read this,drink it in man,share this,bookmark this!

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tehBOOMs 1 point ago +1 / -0

I use VPNArea for torrenting because of the no logs policy and connection speeds.

https://torrentfreak.com/best-vpn-anonymous-no-logging/

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marsajane1949 1 point ago +1 / -0

I’ve used PIA (private internet access) for a decade and they are great IMO. They don’t have logs either

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Granola 1 point ago +1 / -0

ovpn with their "crypto box", easy to use and you can set it up with any provider, and can use all your stuff behind encryption by default.

ovpn.com

OVPN is a proven and verified no-logs VPN provider. Prevent hackers, companies and governments from monitoring your online activities. Our strong physical security together with our solid software security allows us to guarantee a totally log-free VPN service.

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ThickCheney 1 point ago +1 / -0

Namecheap has been good. It’s only $10, it’s fast, and it advertises on Bitchute

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americandrunk 1 point ago +1 / -0

If you have a bit of time and skill, get a cheap vm and setup your own OpenVPN server.

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GrandDon 0 points ago +1 / -1

astrill

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germs 0 points ago +1 / -1

CyberGhost is solid. Not in the 5 or 13 eyes

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cpac2021Trumpers -1 points ago +1 / -2

🥺😪 I miss Trump https://cutt.ly/AlCq6JS

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SSYM69 -1 points ago +1 / -2

You can build your own!

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Teufelhunden 6 points ago +6 / -0

You can make your own VPN, but not an anonymous VPN. What you can do is connect to your own home network remotely, which is useful if you are away from home. The downside of course is you would always be using your home ip address which offers no privacy.

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rosie 1 point ago +1 / -0

And have the potential for confiscation. No, thanks.

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ripley88 -2 points ago +1 / -3

I learned this week that you can make your own VPN with Raspberry Pi computers, if you don't mind learning how to do it. Can't switch countries with it though.

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Teufelhunden 4 points ago +4 / -0

Yes, you can use a pi as a VPN, but not as an anonymous VPN. What you can do with the pi is use it to connect to your own home network remotely, which is useful if you are away from home. The downside of course is you would always be using your home ip address which offers no privacy.