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HuggableBear 49 points ago +49 / -0

My favorite part of the whole shitshow is that they tried to shoehorn in all the woke bullshit into a story that already highlights it all in a way that is much more effective and organic.

In the books, all the main characters are from the same town and they all look alike. Brunette, brown eyes, short. All of them. It's a basic old english farming village where every family has been there for centuries and they don't trust outsiders, and any outsider is very obvious just by looking at them. They have their traditional "gender" roles and the whole place is exactly what you expect it to be.

Except Rand. He is a very tall ginger in a town of short brunettes. He doesn't fit. No one knows why because they all come from this tiny insular village backed up against mountains and rivers in the middle of nowhere where no one ever comes. They think he just looks a little weird, but ok, he's Tam's kid and we all know and respect Tam, so whatever.

None of them have any experience in the world, so they don't know that he's adopted and very clearly from a specific race of people.

The first six books or so spend a whole lot of time showing us how these insular, isolated nobodies are out of their depth and have to learn to adapt to a world that is full of variety and customs and cultures that they don't understand, how the people you know and love are still the same on the inside even if you find out that they are from a totally different race or even that they have a power that has had world-ending consequences in the past. It's a huuuuuge theme throughout all the books.

And now these idiot showrunners have so little understanding of it that they decided to diversify the shit out of the hwole town, completely ruining that entire theme. If everyone is already diverse, then there is no culture shock to be had when they go to another country and everyone is a different color than they are and the women have no problems drinking in taverns with the men and the women actually are the ones tht do all the courtship etc etc.

Their little town has already been portrayed as super woke with the wahmen in charge and all the people are already various shades of brown, so there is no way to show the value of accepting people that you don't understand because they present no differences and you already understand that people are different.

Congratulations, woke morons: You killed your own favorite theme with your unending butthurt.

current_horror 25 points ago +25 / -0

First time I'm really connecting these dots, but you're 100% correct. How many great stories center around clashes of culture and fishes out of water? How can such stories be told when everywhere is the same gray "multicultural" sludge?

ukulele [S] 16 points ago +16 / -0

It's a basic old english farming village:

'Perrin blushed very red'

'Mat and Perrin, with their faces white'

'Mat's face paled', 'Mat's face reddened'

'Startled, he [Perrin] stared at her, then at his own bare chest. It was a mass of color, the newer, purple blotches overlaying older ones faded into shades of brown and yellow. The purple splotches faded to brown, and the brown and yellow paled, some disappearing altogether.'

'Cenn's face went red as a beet'

Egwene's cheeks turning pink'

'Egwene had been getting a good bit of sun; she really could have passed for Aiel except for her dark eyes.'

'[Egwene's] face went as white as snow'

'to hide her [Egwene's] crimson face'

'Nynaeve said in a stiff voice. The red still colored her face.'

'Nynaeve’s deep brown eyes stared through her. Her knuckles were white on a thick braid as dark as Birgitte’s was golden, and her face had gone beyond pale to a faint green.'

'Nynaeve's face went white.'

'Slowly Nynaeve’s face turned purple'

'Nynaeve’s face flashed pure scarlet'

'Nynaeve's face had gone white'

'Nynaeve's face was a white mask of determination'

'Nynaeve's face paled for a moment'

'Nynaeve's face went white'

'That insufferable smile slid greasily off Nynaeve's face, replaced by bright spots of color in her cheeks.'

'Nynaeve went pale'

'For some reason, Elisa's [Egwene's sister] face turned bright red. Very bright red.'

'Now, except for her [Egwene's] big dark eyes, she could almost have passed as an Aiel woman, and not only for her tanned face and hands.'

'He snatched up his shirt and coat, suddenly feeling the cool. “I’m going away, Egwene.”


“Somewhere. I don’t know.” He did not want to meet her eyes, but he could not stop looking at her. She wore red wildroses twined in her hair, flowing about her shoulders. She held her cloak close, dark blue and embroidered along the edge with a thin line of white flowers in the Shienaran fashion, and the blossoms made a line straight up to her face. They were no paler than her cheeks; her eyes seemed so large and dark'

'Two of the fellows could have been from Andor or Murandy or even the Two Rivers, but the third had eyes tilted like a Saldaean’s, and his skin was the color of honey.'

'The clerk who was coughing, a smooth-faced fellow younger than Perrin who, by his face, might have come from the Two Rivers, began hacking more roughly, and covered his mouth with a hand. He cleared his throat loudly, but the harsh cough returned. ...

What remained of the fellow was a pale flat thing inside his clothes, like a wineskin that had been emptied.'

Drcm 14 points ago +14 / -0

you're 100% right, and then the books also go into gender dynamics with the power, queens and kings politics, womens circle vs mens council, aes sedai and warders,

and it navigates the fact that both sexes dont understand each other but have more in common than they have differences, it touches all of those subjects they could have had strong female characters in the form of seductresses, warriors and queens

the books could be taken word for word and have all the SJW talking points

and they STILL fucked it up by not getting the point. truly amazing.

Tourgen 2 points ago +2 / -0

To be honest, I fell off the books once it was obvious the author was a simp at heart.

Smith1980 7 points ago +7 / -0

Thank you! And the books have all the diversity they want once they leave their region. Some homosexuality but not a major aspect of the story.

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Tourgen 21 points ago +21 / -0

No television show can be anything other than white-male-genocide cheerleading. It is our modern culture. The parasites are afraid. They realize the crash is coming and they scramble to make sure they are not blamed.

Women making decisions in a time of crisis is a running joke through all of fictional stories. It's of course bullshit. Women turn to men when things get scary. Women are children.

Smith1980 17 points ago +17 / -0

I heard a comedian say next time you hear a strange noise at 2am turn to your wife and tell her to check it out and see her reaction

Galean 12 points ago +13 / -1

While good news, the show is still incredibly popular and a great hit with women.

dagthegnome 19 points ago +19 / -0

I hope even a minority of those women are motivated to read the books. Jordan portrayed women more realistically, by which I mean less sympathetically, than almost any other author in the sci-fi/fantasy genre. I can't wait to hear the shrieking about how it's nothing like the show and how they can't believe how sexist (honest) it is.

Tourgen 1 point ago +1 / -0

Having worked around women in stressful situations, I can say with some authority that he does not portray women accurately at all. They all lock up and go into panic mode, quickly turning to the nearest man for help when things get scary.

Assassin47 16 points ago +16 / -0

10% a week is not fast enough.

ukulele [S] 9 points ago +9 / -0

As far as I know (and read), even the most ardent show defenders went mad after watching the last episode, so if Amazon will give permission to make another season (a third one), numbers of S2 will be very low.

DontDoxMeBreaux 6 points ago +6 / -0

I can't help but to ask: what happened in the last episode?

ukulele [S] 9 points ago +9 / -0

I did not watch it (not even one episode), but there are no rules anymore: 3 women destroy every enemy, and the show totally destroyed the plot, the lore, everything. It's not even 'WOT in name only'.

ah_hell 9 points ago +9 / -0

Wamen saved the day.

current_horror 11 points ago +12 / -1

Do we have anything even resembling independent third party verification of viewer numbers from streaming services? These people have ever reason to lie, and there's essentially no way to catch them.

Hell, I still think Disney cooked the books for Captain Marvel.

ukulele [S] 3 points ago +3 / -0

You are right, but the numbers unwaveringly going down.

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Smith1980 12 points ago +12 / -0

I love the books but when I heard the showrunner spewing his nonsense I actively rooted for it to fail. The books already have women and non whites once they travel outside their area. Homosexuality is mentioned but not to the extent they want I guess.

SupremeReader 8 points ago +8 / -0

There were "glorious women" already in the book aplenty, it just wasn't the BLACK GIRL MAGIC.

krypt_o 4 points ago +4 / -0

I watched about five minutes then dropped it, but I knew it was going to be a shitshow going in. Had no hopes for it.

Decrixxx 3 points ago +3 / -0

muh game of thrones 2

when_we_win_remember 2 points ago +2 / -0

I'm not sure I am following you. The first and only season is over. Of course, fewer people are watching it. They already watched it already.

FWIW I think the show sucks. But I watched it to come to taht conclusion.

Mpetey123 1 point ago +1 / -0

It got greenlit for season 2 already

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Kalamander85 1 point ago +1 / -0

TBH I had no idea this started yet.