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xleb2 35 points ago +35 / -0

I was in high school when they cranked up the court ordered school busing in most of urban America. This was a death blow that no one ever talks about.

Everybody of every color and stripe got the hell out of cities with court ordered school busing. The diaspora was enormous and was certainly a large contributor to the rise of burb living and the decline of US cities. We even dealt with it with our own kids, we always had to be mindful that our address was not in a forced busing school district.

It finally ended in the Dallas Independent School District in the late 1990's when DISD was declared integrated with a 92% minority student body/

Funny isn't it that nobody ever talks about 40 years of forced school busing contributing to the crash of American cities. I lived through all of it and it was hugely destructive.

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lgbtqwtfbbq 26 points ago +26 / -0

Academic Agent did an interesting summary video about a book on this subject last year. The subject of the book was a city that sounds like it had a very similar trajectory to your own.

Imagine being the White leftist academic researching that book and having to come to terms with the fact that even Black people don't really want to live in Black neighborhoods.

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MegoThor 20 points ago +20 / -0

Come to terms with it? A leftist would ignore then bury the evidence, along with the bodies of anyone else who knew.

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lgbtqwtfbbq 14 points ago +14 / -0

Considering it was the subject of a book written by said White leftist academic it obviously wasn't "buried". Though I'm sure she had to come up with a massive scaffold of cognitive dissonance to prevent her entire worldview from collapsing.

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bamboozler1 [S] 6 points ago +6 / -0

And then ban the book in question, so nobody else could read it (or at least buy it anywhere online), lol...

Shit, we are so close to the book burnings of the 20th Century at this point that it's not even funny anymore (if it ever was), hey..? :-S

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Guy_Incognito76 5 points ago +5 / -0

They don't bury it they blame it on white people.

The whole reason bussing was done in the first place along with desegregation is because they found black kids going to all black schools was sad.

https://www.naacpldf.org/ldf-celebrates-60th-anniversary-brown-v-board-education/significance-doll-test/

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xleb2 12 points ago +12 / -0

I can't say where black people wanted to live, but they didn't want their kids bused all over creation either. It was despised by the public but loved by the politicos. Everybody else moved to places that didn't have it.

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bamboozler1 [S] 10 points ago +10 / -0

Interestingly, this applies in Australia too, but in the case of inner cities (for the most part), instead of just leaving them to rot, they were gentrified, and hipsters moved into them (cheap, "arty", close to university, etc.), displacing our equivalent "Blaks"... Who then moved out to the shittier outer suburbs which have yet to be gentrified, or disappeared, in large part, from the cityscape. Or became homeless...

However the real shitholes in this country, nowadays at least, are mostly the outer suburbs, but moreso the small towns where this gentrification... Doesn't happen. That's where the Burn, Loot, Murder happens these days, vis a vis 15-20 years ago, when we had the Redfern and Cronulla riots, at least in Sydney, lol...

But yeah, if you go out to say... Alice Springs, which has something like 20% full or mostly full-blood Aboriginal population (or more), and is supposedly just about the most "segregated" place in Australia in Current Year, that's where you really have to watch yourself, lol. That's like... Our equivalent of Baltimore or whatever, these days at least!

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lgbtqwtfbbq 6 points ago +6 / -0

Sounds a lot like the US. In Seattle for example a lot of the places 30 years ago no one wanted to live are now the trendiest spots because all the tech companies opened offices nearby.

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Assassin47 9 points ago +9 / -0

Don't worry, BLM took care of that. Everybody's fleeing the cities again.

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realerfunction 1 point ago +1 / -0

they can only leave if they didn't vote for those currently in power.

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MGTAU 1 point ago +1 / -0

Blacks only don't wanna live with black cause of muh huwhite supremacy and racism!!!

-leftist

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Guy_Incognito76 7 points ago +7 / -0

Bussing is interesting because it was overwhelming opposed by the public and there was no law for it but they still did it. It was simply ordered by judges and people complied. No one stopped to say, hey, banning segregation is not the same thing as forced integration, and besides, judges can't tell people what to do.

That's what real power looks like.

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fakthemods 5 points ago +5 / -0

My folks experienced busing in their youth. It shocked me how after experiencing the racial conflicts my father still fell back on the old 'Not all blacks' line. Yet his entire family had to flee their home so their children could be safe at school. The district they fled from is still the worst in the area and it continued to bleed into other areas in the following decades. To the point that by the time I had kids I moved out of town to avoid putting my kids into the school system my parents escaped to.

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redguards_are_nwahs 5 points ago +5 / -0

Explain forced school bussing to me, because it sounds a little...strange. It was literally illegal to not have your child ride the bus?

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DontDoxMeBreaux 7 points ago +8 / -1

Governments would redistrict children and bus them from school district A into school district B for the purposes of "desegregation."

It's "forced" in the sense that children were forced to go to farther away (and often much shittier) schools and probably didn't have a way to get there OTHER than being bussed, since it would be too far to walk. But no, you were not actually forced to ride a bus, you could get to school any way you wished.

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Knife-TotingRat 6 points ago +6 / -0

I always thought it went the other way - that black kids from the poorer neighbourhoods were being bused to white neighbourhoods/better schools, which was leading to the inner-city schools just becoming that much worse, while also turning the receiving schools to crap. Did the flow reverse at some point?

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fakthemods 5 points ago +5 / -0

In some places it went both ways. If they're bring in 50 black kids while the school is at capacity then 50 White kids have to be bused somewhere else.

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redguards_are_nwahs 3 points ago +3 / -0

Oh that's much worse

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Guy_Incognito76 11 points ago +11 / -0

The case of Brown v Board of Education made segregation illegal in the US.

The case itself is pure hogwash. The main argument of the plaintiffs was that black kids going to an all black school made them sad. That was literally it. The defense stood and said since no legal argument against segregation had been offered no defense was needed. The court then ruled against them anyway and declared segregation illegal.

The whole thing was a sham. The judge had been picked ahead of the time, the case carefully laid out by activist lawyers. They advertised and recruited plaintiffs to lie and say what they needed them to say. Segregation was overwhelmingly popular in America; 80% approval among whites and blacks. Yet when this one court decided to overturn popular legislation, everyone went along with it. The press was a big helper too of course.

But they didn't stop there. Not only did they declare segregation illegal, they declared schools needed to be forcibly integrated, which isn't even the same thing. Massive judicial overreach but again, people went along with it. There are cases of leftist activists praising the virtue of integration while also moving the hell away from the city, or redistricting the town to allow them to have their own, new separate schools. The whole thing was an utter shit show.

In the end, integrated schools did absolutely nothing to help blacks, let alone whites. The idea had been a fad of academics who can't acknowledge the harsh truths about race, foisted on an unwilling public by activist jurists and compliant, traitorous elected officials.

Even now the most die-hard righties will still say "Segregation is wrong!" The legal ruling completely changed the culture. That's why conservatives refusing to use legal power to stop things like CRT is so moronic. Culture flows from the law, people look to their leaders to tell them how to behave.

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Piroko 15 points ago +15 / -0

An expert in geopolitics, asked me to define a failed state. I wasn't prepared to provide a good answer.

Pffft. Moron.

A failed state is a state where the focus of the state activity has diminished to merely preserving continuity of the state; vis a vi, they can do nothing but stay in power.

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bamboozler1 [S] 8 points ago +8 / -0

So... Zumastan, Haiti and Cub(isti)a, then?

Hell, that, uhh, largely sounds like it describes the Victorian and Western Australian state governments, too, if I'm being blunt...

Which I would have tongue-in-cheek referred to as (literal) "failed states", but I had never actually seen it defined like that before, lol...

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Isolated_Patriot 4 points ago +4 / -0

That's a damn good definition, actually.