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posted ago by ambiently ago by ambiently +18 / -0

I've heard that vaccinated people shed spike proteins but what exactly does that mean? Is it dangerous? Should I avoid family who took the shot?

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muslimporn 3 points ago +3 / -0

The mRNA payload is basically a blueprint. It gets into your cells and you cells have a factory that can take RNA blueprints then build whatever is on them like a 3D printer.

These are blueprints for the spike protein. I believe that one blueprint can have the cell produce loads of spike protein. No one has really bothered to ask or answer the questions of what are the amplification effects.

It's not like just what they're injecting you with goes into your body then slowly breaks down. Almost the opposite. As it's breaking down it's also producing disproportionate amounts of spike protein.

This could actually be quite a significant amount compared to the amount you're injected with. It's like loads of spike protein grows out of it. That can then get into people's blood, etc. They can exude it another of ways but potentially through the respiratory system as well.

I'd never rule it out but it's not what they actually inject you with that is likely to shed very much as far as I understand. They instruct your body to produce loads of spike protein and it's that which can then shed potentially sometimes in unexpectedly high quantities.

The effect that would have to people around might be a mild to moderate ACE2 inhibitory effect in the lungs or some other effect. I'd honestly assume that to be mild.

A larger concern might be it causing an allergenic effect. It's basically like they're a bush in the height of spring wafting out pollen. That might be mild and short lived but who knows what kind of allergy it might induce if you then encounter the spike protein from the virus. It could cause a different reaction and an adverse one.

In some cases it could conceivably cause more serious inflammation or effects up front in people vulnerable to that. A bit like second hand smoking.

The only thing that might tell is real tests or real life data. Someone more versed in the field will probably know of some additional potential effects and have a better grasp on probabilities.

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Mrs762x51mm 2 points ago +3 / -1

Conspiracy has been talking about this for a long time now. Many people, including myself are experiencing reinfection from newly vaccinate. There was a good meme relating it to the Mericks Chicken Vaccine. I do not avoid people, not like I could if I wanted to. In my opinion it is an opportunity to build immunity. We keep zinc and querectin and take it regularly when we get exposed. We also eat lots of raw minced garlic, raw milk, Fermented Cod Liver Oil and high butter oil. I recently got some N-Acetyl-Cysteine, which has been shown to treat it, so well in fact that Amazon stopped carrying it. We have Ivermectin as well just in case. It isn’t terrible just really annoying. Productivity goes down.

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muslimporn 3 points ago +3 / -0

The dumb thing is it's not even conspiracy. It's just a new thing we don't know much about. To me the world we're in where there's something new and you're not allowed to ask about it is bizarre. You always ask about new things and want to find out about it.

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Annpi 1 point ago +1 / -0

Id like to know too. I read the comments here, can someone explain it to us like we are 5 years old?

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nautica 1 point ago +2 / -1

I will see, because my partner coming to see me. She is fully vaccinated (Moderna). I will not get the jab.

I will use Suramin, which is in the needles of the pine tree. I just collected a bunch.

I have a good immune system and am not worried. But better have an antidote ready when you need it.

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swifty123456 1 point ago +1 / -0

lol your screwed! there is a rumor the vaccine can be sexually transmitted!

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Kolob 1 point ago +2 / -1

No it is not dangerous in mRNA vaccines. It is an inactive maunfactured small piece of what would be on the virus. J&J would have the potential for shedding actual virus, but it is a different virus with a part of the Plague from China virus inserted which is very unlikely to cause problems, but has the potential although tiny beyond comprehension, to cause problems. J&J has the same risk as legacy vaccines which also cause shedding.

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muslimporn 2 points ago +2 / -0

This is generally false. It's an active sequence for producing the spike protein. While the RNA is probably unlikely to spread to another though not strictly impossible, you're being injected with instructions to produce significant amounts of spike protein, disproportionate amounts. You can make a thousand items with one mould. 1ng can become 1mg for example. A thousand pieces can become a million pieces.

I'm not sure how well the amplification effect is known including its variance among people. The spike protein is also not inactive as far as I'm aware. It will bond with ACE2 to my knowledge and can mess with your blood pressure for example.

Generally speaking however, the people with that will have more of it than those they pass it on to. So if it's not enough to mess them up it's really only a matter of passing it on to people with some particular sensitivity to it such as some condition that doesn't play nice or it may have a disproportionate effect in establishing a new allergy in some people that wont play nice with the virus.

There is another kind of potential shedding that can happen if you vaccinate a billion people for example. You're injecting the full segment of RNA needed to produce the spike protein and that might combine with other RNA in your body including from other viruses.

20% of colds are coronaviruses. When you inject a billion people how many of those might have a cold as well that's a coronavirus? How many might have beta coronaviruses or a related strain that can potentially adopt the spike protein easily?

The gain of function research took only the RNA for the spike protein and injected it using recombination into another sarbecovirus (most closely related to beta coronaviruses). The mRNA vaccine is actually almost the same as that, it's injecting just the RNA of the spike protein now into billions of people. Recombination happened naturally. Including with coronaviruses. It's what they were researching.

So if anyone else has a compatible coronavirus in them you're creating a brilliant opportunity for gain of function by it picking up that spike protein. If it somehow manages to then evade immunity (perhaps someone has ADE or something, possibly just a weak immune system such as due to age which is who you want to give the vaccine to the most usually) and get out as well as mutate then boom you have yet another Sarbecovirus virus. There are also people with a lot of betacoronaviruses who live near the animals but they have a poor spike protein.

The mRNA vaccine actually is almost GOF and if you give it to enough people no one has given any explanation as to why it would be impossible or improbable to recombine.

I can tell you as a scientist who is very well versed in GOF to the point that give me a grant of a million dollars and a biolab to instruct I can create ten to a hundred new SARS viruses like SARS-CoV-2 in a year or so that the way they're charging into this without asking any of these questions is terrifying.

The rushed vaccine was more predominantly for the at risk people like the flu vaccine. It wasn't meant to be forced upon everyone to the point a billion or so might take it.

Though the establishment keeps saying it's backed by science it's not. It's the scientists like me that are being gagged. No one can ask questions and no one can answer questions. It's not being allowed.

In this case they may get lucky or they may not. If this kind of no questions asked culture continues when applied to matters of global public health that pertain to up to the entire population of the planet then it's not if there will be a catastrophe but when.

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MagicBanana 1 point ago +2 / -1

https://banned.video/watch?id=60a82846b72e4b4268fa8925

Watch that. I'm not totally sure about it but I've seen quite a few doctors talk about it now.

https://youtu.be/Tn_b4NRTB6k

You can watch that too, ivermectin should work if they are shedding the spike protein.

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Kolob 1 point ago +1 / -0

I have some Ivermectin on the way as it is also used against aother viruses like Zika and Dengue which do not have effective vaccines. My neighbor can't get the vaccine due to risk factors and I want to be prepared just in case.