With a population of 320 million, the real question is' How do we get the numbers up to 630 million guns? Because everyone needs a rifle and a pistol, not just a single firearm. Come on, people!
And all of similar caliber if possible, with regard to rifles and shotties. The more diverse your weapons, the more ammo types you're gonna have to keep track.
All mine are either .556 or .308, with 12g for the shotguns, 9mm or .45 for the pistols. Varmint is basic .22LR. All of these are the most common from state to state if things go south and you need to trade or scrounge.
Legacy weapons are seriously undercounted. I know people who have weapons that have been in the family for 100 years. Some have 20 or 30 such weapons. There is no way these can be counted or even estimated accurately.
I've been saying this to my brit mates, America would be in constant civil war if guns were the problem. It shows me that Americans mostly is a live and let live society and they've learned to live together in harmony, for the most part.
Controlled opposition, funny how you never see other groups like GOA getting attacked in the news. Probably because that'd draw people's attention to there being alternatives to the NRA.
Does anyone else feel this number is inaccurate like the number of illegals? There were 400 million guns years ago just like the 11,000,000 illegals number that seems frozen. Maybe it's just me?
You don’t need to register rifles in Michigan. Think of the hunters and collectors in just this state alone who have gun safes full of various models. 415 million is a massive lowball.
These are the guns that have been bought and "registered". I'd bet an entire years salary it's double that number at least. I have hand-me-downs from my grandfather I know damned well aren't registered and most other farm families can say the same.
Yeah, right. OK, I'm old. So, here's my take. Keeping in mind I've been hunting since age 12, legally, in 1957. Yes, I'm what you classify as a Redneck. There are an estimated 60 million of us now.
In 1957 you could buy a Mauser for about $13, mail order, or a Springfield or a Garand for a bit more. Or any pistol, mail order. A LOT were sold. These were very competent rifles and pistols (such as 44 Mag, 38 Sp, 375 etc). This was true for decades. How many guns were sold is a good question.
Fwd, early 1980s, CA decided they would outlaw 'assault rifles'. In Silicon Valley, where I worked, within a week of the announcement, there were no assault rifles in any gun store: all had been purchased. I got the last one in my local shop, an expensive HK91 (the civilian version of the G3 MBR, Germany army). The array had been everything from ARs to European battle rifles. All gone, tens of thousands only in SV.
Fwd to Clinton's 'ban on assault weapons.' Since we knew it was coming, there was another run. Nationwide, most gun shops were bereft of same.
Fwd, 2001. Another run, this one lasted years.
Fwd, obama. The best gun salesman in history. From 2009, more guns were sold than Carter had pills, with the legal checks approaching 1 million/month, continuing to present, except since 2017, most months exceeded 1 million. Add those numbers to the previous batch that were never checked.
From 2009 on, the AR/AK series were the vast majority of sales. At several points, such as Sandy Hook, backorders were humongous. Some shops just got whatever they could by way of parts. That continued for a few years.
Fwd 2017, Trump relaxed regs. Sales were through the roof, and ammo was being produced and imported at astounding rates. 7.62x51 (308 Win), 7.62x39 AK, 5.56x45 and 223 were being sold by the case, mil surplus, at decent prices. God only knows how much was bought. Rifles of the AR style dropped in price, such as the AR-10, were then at similar prices as the AR-15, and the demand was so great it was hard to find even parts, let alone complete rifles of the type.
Back to 2001. Since production was high, those who cast lowers for the AR were busy as heck. Some started selling blank lowers, which do not carry a serial. Then the drill index for same. Then came the composite versions. Eight years ago, you could go through a catalog and find a complete upper AR10 or 15, a lower parts kit (including trig, safe, buffer, stock etc), and a few pages later, the blank lower, all legal, none registered. Any idea how many of those were sold? The companies were out of stock a lot, sold however many they could produce. Same thing true for the Glock pistols.
When someone says '415 million', that's a dramatic understatement. If they say 13 trillion rounds, so is that. And, the majority of these things are in the hands of people that know how to use them. In MO, for instance, kids as young as 8 get news coverage on their 'first deer', killed using an AR-15.
And that, my friends, is what "they" are really afraid of. 'Cause out of the cities, it's an entirely different ball game. Incidentally, of those Rednecks, around 15 million are veterans who are giving mil instruction to others in tactics. Not really necessary, but done anyway.
With a population of 320 million, the real question is' How do we get the numbers up to 630 million guns? Because everyone needs a rifle and a pistol, not just a single firearm. Come on, people!
And a shottie
From one of my favorite quotes from "We Were Soliders"
"Sir, if the time comes I need one, there'll be plenty lying on the ground." Sergeant Major Basil Plumley
And all of similar caliber if possible, with regard to rifles and shotties. The more diverse your weapons, the more ammo types you're gonna have to keep track.
All mine are either .556 or .308, with 12g for the shotguns, 9mm or .45 for the pistols. Varmint is basic .22LR. All of these are the most common from state to state if things go south and you need to trade or scrounge.
I like your thought process!
That 415 million legal gun owners might be an understatement.
Legacy weapons are seriously undercounted. I know people who have weapons that have been in the family for 100 years. Some have 20 or 30 such weapons. There is no way these can be counted or even estimated accurately.
+1
Put together an AR for the first time last night. Tested it today. 👍 It runs.
Aero Precision?
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I've been saying this to my brit mates, America would be in constant civil war if guns were the problem. It shows me that Americans mostly is a live and let live society and they've learned to live together in harmony, for the most part.
The NRA is still useless.
Controlled opposition, funny how you never see other groups like GOA getting attacked in the news. Probably because that'd draw people's attention to there being alternatives to the NRA.
Yes, we are the problem, which is the point. Need I say more?
Does anyone else feel this number is inaccurate like the number of illegals? There were 400 million guns years ago just like the 11,000,000 illegals number that seems frozen. Maybe it's just me?
Personally my arsenal has grown by 400% in just the last few years.
You mean the arsenal at the bottom of the lake/
To that add BILLIONS of rounds of ammo and counting!
Not to mention those reloading ammo - components aren't typically counted as ammo.
415 million registered guns. No way to count a homemade gun.
You don’t need to register rifles in Michigan. Think of the hunters and collectors in just this state alone who have gun safes full of various models. 415 million is a massive lowball.
I was referring more to guns that have a purchase history. A paper trail that they even exist.
Ah. Understood.
"You don’t need to register rifles in Michigan."
Or PA.
pew pew!
They Refuse to admit The problem and the criminal lying MSM covers it up. Chicago+gun control=762 murders.......Every year. WHO is Doing the shooting?
US privately own 50% of the world's guns and accounts for around 2.4% of firearm deaths. Yeah we are not the problem and neither are the guns.
Registered guns...
These are the guns that have been bought and "registered". I'd bet an entire years salary it's double that number at least. I have hand-me-downs from my grandfather I know damned well aren't registered and most other farm families can say the same.
Pretty sure we got this handled 💪😉
Yeah, right. OK, I'm old. So, here's my take. Keeping in mind I've been hunting since age 12, legally, in 1957. Yes, I'm what you classify as a Redneck. There are an estimated 60 million of us now.
In 1957 you could buy a Mauser for about $13, mail order, or a Springfield or a Garand for a bit more. Or any pistol, mail order. A LOT were sold. These were very competent rifles and pistols (such as 44 Mag, 38 Sp, 375 etc). This was true for decades. How many guns were sold is a good question.
Fwd, early 1980s, CA decided they would outlaw 'assault rifles'. In Silicon Valley, where I worked, within a week of the announcement, there were no assault rifles in any gun store: all had been purchased. I got the last one in my local shop, an expensive HK91 (the civilian version of the G3 MBR, Germany army). The array had been everything from ARs to European battle rifles. All gone, tens of thousands only in SV.
Fwd to Clinton's 'ban on assault weapons.' Since we knew it was coming, there was another run. Nationwide, most gun shops were bereft of same.
Fwd, 2001. Another run, this one lasted years.
Fwd, obama. The best gun salesman in history. From 2009, more guns were sold than Carter had pills, with the legal checks approaching 1 million/month, continuing to present, except since 2017, most months exceeded 1 million. Add those numbers to the previous batch that were never checked. From 2009 on, the AR/AK series were the vast majority of sales. At several points, such as Sandy Hook, backorders were humongous. Some shops just got whatever they could by way of parts. That continued for a few years.
Fwd 2017, Trump relaxed regs. Sales were through the roof, and ammo was being produced and imported at astounding rates. 7.62x51 (308 Win), 7.62x39 AK, 5.56x45 and 223 were being sold by the case, mil surplus, at decent prices. God only knows how much was bought. Rifles of the AR style dropped in price, such as the AR-10, were then at similar prices as the AR-15, and the demand was so great it was hard to find even parts, let alone complete rifles of the type.
Back to 2001. Since production was high, those who cast lowers for the AR were busy as heck. Some started selling blank lowers, which do not carry a serial. Then the drill index for same. Then came the composite versions. Eight years ago, you could go through a catalog and find a complete upper AR10 or 15, a lower parts kit (including trig, safe, buffer, stock etc), and a few pages later, the blank lower, all legal, none registered. Any idea how many of those were sold? The companies were out of stock a lot, sold however many they could produce. Same thing true for the Glock pistols.
When someone says '415 million', that's a dramatic understatement. If they say 13 trillion rounds, so is that. And, the majority of these things are in the hands of people that know how to use them. In MO, for instance, kids as young as 8 get news coverage on their 'first deer', killed using an AR-15.
And that, my friends, is what "they" are really afraid of. 'Cause out of the cities, it's an entirely different ball game. Incidentally, of those Rednecks, around 15 million are veterans who are giving mil instruction to others in tactics. Not really necessary, but done anyway.
How many of them like to practice on a regular basis?
I'm not a serious shooter (I know some though) and I have around 3K rounds downrange so far this year. Maybe more.