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posted ago by Shalomtoyou ago by Shalomtoyou +15 / -2

Anyone play it? On the new consoles?

I was just thinking about it today. I beat it a couple years ago. Not a bad game, but hard to see all the way through. Get to experience your thief skills, though I think the MC's lack of liveliness makes it lackluster. I mean, he's cynical, he's street smart, but he's also living in a freezing clocktower attic. And what does he do with the gold he steals other than buying new thief tools? C'mon man, live a little.

But from a story perspective... there's an NPC character, Erin. And I was kinda reflecting that she's actually a pretty interesting character. Old student of the MC, but does assassinations in addition to stealing. Callous. Cocky. Gets herself in trouble for her recklessness. Started her career as a girl in a brothel where she killed a John for touching her....

Actually, it's a pretty strong female character. I don't mean "strong" as in admirable or having physical strength, or strength of character. I mean strong as in interesting. Flawed, but real.

We've been hearing about the need for "strong" female characters in movies and video games. And we get boring crap like Captain Marvel or Rey. Or whatever happened in The Last of Us 2. (I didn't play it). But here's an interesting one that gets overlooked.

Maybe it's because she's troubled or she's bad. But that's what makes her interesting.

Okay, random post over.

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Cstriker01 7 points ago +7 / -0

Dear God. The new Thief is crap. Thief the Dark Project, Metal Age, and Deadly Shadows are top tier games with a MUCH better Garrett. Highly recommend.

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Shalomtoyou [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

What systems are they on?

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Cstriker01 2 points ago +2 / -0

PC and Deadly Shadows is on PC and OG XBOX.

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Assassin47 2 points ago +2 / -0

PC. You'll have to be able to tolerate really old chunky graphics and FPS mechanics to appreciate them, but getting past that they are really deep and immersive.

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FrozenEagle 7 points ago +7 / -0

"Nu-Thief" is absolute garbage, if you're even vaguely familiar with the original Thief-trilogy.

The biggest point to take away is that Thief 1 & 2 use the same engine and play very similarly; they established the Thief-franchise and set its parameters. Thief 3, however, uses the Unreal 2-engine and had to make sacrifices in gameplay and game design, both so it could run on the consoles and that console gamers might show the game some interest. Thief 3 is not a bad game, but it barely holds a candle to Thief 1 & 2 (but it casts AWESOME shadows, its shadow-rendering engine is to die for).

Then Nu-Thief comes along, takes all of its cues and lessons from Thief 3, and almost completely ignores Thief 1 & 2. :(

The end result is a below-average stealth game when removed from its origins and compared on its feeble merits, but a total insult and a slap in the face to anyone who's a fan of the Thief-series.

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glow-operator-2-0 6 points ago +6 / -0

I feel like talking about Thief. Anyone play it?

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On the new consoles

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Shalomtoyou [S] 3 points ago +3 / -0

Heh, doesn't look like I'm winning friends.

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Assassin47 3 points ago +3 / -0

Meh, it gave us something to talk about. Definitely check out the old ones if you don't mind old games.

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glow-operator-2-0 1 point ago +1 / -0

You need to understand PC master gaming.

Look for the old 1999 & 2001 games (comparable to Dishonored.... same development staff) and posts it to Thief 4.

Even Thief 3 Deadly Shadows is highly disliked by PC gamers because of how it was dumbed down for Xbox Original.

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Assassin47 3 points ago +3 / -0

Oh, "Thi4f". Haven't played it. I saw it's on sale on GOG right now.

Now the original Thief games, I can talk about those all day. My first taste was the demo for Thief Gold on a demo disc that came with my first graphics card - a 3DFX Voodoo 3. It was just the first mission: Bafford's Manor. This was also my first taste of stealth gaming, so I didn't know what I was doing and just ran at all the enemies with the sword - and it wasn't very fun. (T1 and 2 had notoriously bad combat, sort of by design) Something kept pulling me back to it though and I managed to get the hang of the non-lethal approach, and really enjoyed replaying that mission in different ways to see what was possible. Then I kind of forgot about it and didn't get the full game until a few years later seeing mentions online that reminded me. Beat the game quickly and moved onto the sequel and various fan missions at TTLG.com.

Now stealth is my favorite genre overall. In Thief my typical play style is "realistic ghost" - try not to knock-out anyone unless it's absolutely necessary. No time for it these days but I must have put hundreds and hundreds of hours into the base game and fan missions. Good times.

I wasn't a big fan of T3 but it grew on me. The mechanics are wonky and less "fluid" than the old ones, and it was a victim of peak-consolization, but the Unofficial Patch finally made it playable on PC. The atmosphere is excellent. I'm sure the technical presentation of the new one is better than the old games, so I should at least watch a gameplay video before dismissing it. But Dishonored took over the mantle of stealthy immersive sims for me, so it would have to meet or exceed that.

And yeah we've actually had "strong" female characters in media for decades. Anyone claiming otherwise is delusional or has an agenda. Sounds like this is just another example.

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JiggsawCalrissian 2 points ago +2 / -0

I've never played thief but I do encourage more of these kinds of threads

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Chopper_Dave 1 point ago +1 / -0

If you haven't heard of The Dark Mod I would highly recommend it for Thief fans. It's a free thief-clone with custom levels and a level editor. It used to just be a mod for Doom 3 but now its stand-alone!

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juststraight 1 point ago +1 / -0

I played it and didn't like it. The thief-taker general boss fight made stealth pointless unless you do a specific route or saved up all money to buy the spectral aspect. I quit at that boss fight because trying to do stealth and not get seen by him was a pain in the ass compared to the levels before the fight.

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Shalomtoyou [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

If you mean the one in the end, by the time I got there I pretty much quit caring.

I'm back and forth on it a lot. I like some of the realism of the Thief skills. The story is kind of meh. I liked the characterization of that one I mentioned. (I think Erin is more interesting than Garrett, frankly. He's a pretty dull character all things said.)

It's like... it's like half way there. A good start, but some things they tried just didn't fit.