posted ago by Firesky ago by Firesky +6 / -3

1. ISHMAEL IN THE BIBLE

Ishmael, the first son of Abraham (through Sarah's handmaid, Hagar), is the progenitor of the Arab peoples. He's often sidelined as a minor character but the Bible tells us otherwise. Let's take a look --

A. God (speaking through His angel) named him before he was born

  • “You (Hagar)are now pregnant and you will give birth to a son. You shall name him Ishmael, for the LORD has heard of your misery" (Genesis 16:11)

That makes him one of the only 8 people in the Bible who were named by God before their birth.

B. God promised to multiply him & make him fruitful.

We read of this in TWO different places --

  • "I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and multiply him greatly" (Genesis 17:20, said to Abraham)
  • “I will increase your descendants* so much that they will be too numerous to count.” (Genesis 16:10, said to Hagar)

(*the Ishmaelites)

C. God promised to make him a nation / a great nation.

We read of this in THREE different places --

  • I will make him into a great nation. (Genesis 17:20)
  • But I will also make a nation of the slave woman's son, because he is your offspring." (Genesis 21:13)
  • Get up, lift up the boy, and take him by the hand, for I will make him into a great nation." (Genesis 21:18)

In other words, Ishmael received the same blessings as great people like Abraham and Jacob! I've seen some argue that Ishmael's blessing to become a "great nation" was fulfilled when the Arabs struck oil and became prosperous and powerful. But "great nation" means a nation that's great in the eyes of God. This point will be elaborated in a later section.

D. He was prophesied to have 12 sons, who in all probability went on to become 12 tribes

  • He will be the father of twelve rulers...(Genesis 17:20)

Just like Jacob who also had 12 sons who turned into 12 tribes of the Israelites.

E. He was actually part of God's covenant with Abraham.

The reason is that he had the "sign of the covenant" -- circumcision, which is specified in detail in Genesis 17:9-14. Interestingly, that practice remained part of Ishmaelite tradition, even after they turned polytheistic and idolatrous.

F. God saved him from dying of thirst

  • God heard the boy crying, and the angel of God called to Hagar from heaven, and said to her, “What is the matter, Hagar? Do not be afraid; God has heard the boy crying as he lies there... Then God opened her eyes and she saw a well of water. So she went and filled the skin with water and gave the boy a drink. (Genesis 21:17-19)

G. God was with Ishmael even after he was sent away.

  • God was with the boy as he grew up. He lived in the desert and became an archer.(Genesis 21:20)

God being "with" him means God watched over and protected him. A similar verse appears in Genesis 39 in connection with Joseph -- "the LORD was with Joseph, and he became a successful man" (Genesis 39:2)

2. WHAT CAME OF THE PROMISES TO ISHMAEL?

As we have seen, Ishmael is presented in the Bible as an important figure meant for great things, but after Genesis, he disappears and is never mentioned again. So what became of the "great nation" that was to emerge from Ishmael? What mark did it leave on history? Is the Ishmaelite nation even relevant today?

Answer: Approximately 2500 years after Ishmael, the Ishmaelites united under the banner of a new Monotheistic religion -- Islam. They become a mighty conquering force that rapidly took over ALL of the Middle East and North Africa and established one of the largest empires in history.

This is incredibly significant because much of the territory the Ishmaelites conquered during their first century used to be CHRISTIAN. The Ishmaelites did not merely conquer territory, but completely uprooted all previous religions and cultures and replaced it with their own! They did this to such an extent that -- with the exception of Spain -- all territories under Ishmaelite rule hold on to the Ishmaelite religion & way of life to this day!

In other words, the Ishmaelites undid 6 centuries of work by Christian preachers dating back to the time of the apostles.

3. WHY DID GOD ALLOW THE ISHMAELITES TO SUCCEED?

Why did god allow it? And that too after Jesus was given "all authority in heaven and earth"? And AFTER Jesus commanded his followers to preach the gospel to every nation?

It can't be that the Ishmaelite nation conquered Christian lands against God's will. So the only logocal answer is that -- for whatever reason -- God willed it.

  • He changes times and seasons; he deposes kings and raises up others. (Daniel 2:21)

Surely, a religious kingdom that replaced Christianity is surely a huge matter. So does the Bible say anything about it? I believe it does.

In Daniel 2, we read that God will set up a mighty warlike kingdom DURING the time of the kingdom of "iron & clay" -- which has the strength of the previous "iron" empire. Most scholars identify the iron empire as pagan Rome. So the iron & clay kingdom has to be the Christian Roman empire -- it had the "iron" of pagan Rome as well as another element -- clay -- which represents Christianity.

  • "...the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever" (Daniel 2:44)

Many say that the kingdom set up by God refers to Christianity, but the text says it's a kingdom that emerged AFTER a Christian empire was established. I have provided a more detailed explanation of the Daniel 2 prophecy in a comment below.

Then, in Isaiah 54, we read of a nation that will "spread out to the left and right and take over entire nations!

  • Enlarge the place of your tent, stretch your tent curtains wide, do not hold back; lengthen your cords, strengthen your stakes. For you will spread out to the right and to the left; your descendants will dispossess nations and settle in their desolate cities. (Isaiah 54:2-3)

Thus, the "great nation" promised to Ishmael was a religious empire.

4) THE ISHMAELITE RELIGION

So what of the religion that was spread by the Ishmaelites? It means different things to different people. But peel away all it's outer layers and it's core, it is a religion that --

  • is centered around the worship the God of Abraham.
  • reveres the prophets of the Bible.
  • acknowledges Jesus as the Messiah.
  • teaches of the coming of a Jewish antichrist.
  • teaches the second coming of Jesus.
  • teaches that Christ slays antichrist (near Tel Aviv!)
  • teaches that Christ will rule the world.

Note: While there are differences over the exact nature of Christ, it's nothing that cannot be reconciled with Unitarian Christianity (not to be confused with Unitarian Universalism).

It's NOT a random coincidence that the Ishmaelite religion has so many parallels with Christianity.

There's also the fact that the Ishmaelite religion is the only religion that implements the Laws of the Bible -- severely punish blasphemers, adulterers, homosexuals etc. It's like a sign from God saying "look! If the Ishmaelites can do it, why can't you?".

It is for the above reasons that I have come to believe the Ishmaelite religion is a branch of the tree of the Abrahamic faith system.

5) CONCLUSION.

I believe the Ishmaelite religion, Islam, was set up by God as a COUNTERWEIGHT against the antichrist world order. That's the only way to explain how the Ishmaelite nations successfully resist the poisonous fruits of godless modernity.

Thank you for reading.

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AngelofDeathToo 4 points ago +5 / -1

Yahweh made promises regarding MANY, and has either kept them, or will. Ishmael was no exception, mainly to appease Abraham. Yet, Eternal Life is NEVER promised Ishmael nor his descendants. As a matter of fact, Paul SPECIFICALLY excludes ALL CHILDREN OF ABRAHAM, except Isaac in Romans 9. Ishmael is but a cursed line of mongrels today, but to be used as correctional tools upon the Chosen Race of Israylites, all of whom are white, Caucasian.

Rom 9:7  neither, because they are Abraham's seed, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. [ISHMAEL IS EXCLUDED - the adoption pertains to ISRAYL ONLY, v. 4]

Rom 9:8  That is, it is not the children of the flesh that are children of Yahweh; but the children of the promise are reckoned for a seed. [ISHMAEL IS BUT A CHILD OF THE FLESH - given a gift and sent away ... along with the promises that ALREADY came to pass.]

Rom 9:9  For this is a word of promise, According to this season will I come, and Sarah shall have a son. [THE PROMISED SEEDLINE WAS THROUGH ISAAC ONLY. The GREAT COMMISSION, is because ISRAYL was promised to be scattered among the nations, and they are. And THAT is to whom the True gospel message is addressed. Preaching to EVERY NATION ... LOOKING FOR THE REMNANT OF ISRAYL ORDAINED TO HEAR.]

Prophecy promised to use "LOCUST/GRASSHOPPERS". The term is a SYMBOLIC one for ARABS! ARABS are mongrels. Mongrels are forbidden in the congregation of Yahweh, Deut. 23:2.

Consider ISLAM IN PROPHECY in this booklet.

The KINGDOM OF YAHWEH "SETUP" (NOT COMPLETED) in the days of these kings is started NOT at the time of the ten kings, but at the time of Babylon, Nebedchadnezer. For it was after Zedekyah watches his sons put to death and is blinded that Jeremyah takes Zedekyah's DAUGHTERS to Ireland to continue the THRONE OF DAVID, where one of them marries the descendants of Zarah already living there for many centuries. It continued through Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece and Rome, and has yet continued to this day ... and at the soon demise of Rome's last gasp, the end of PAPAL ROME, the end of the EU, with the Messianic manifestation, shall the Kingdom come to full bloom and grow to encompass all the world. But make no mistake, that kingdom OF Yahweh is manifest in it's imperfected state in the U.K., Ireland, U.S., Canada, Australia, New Zealand etc.

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TakenusernameA 2 points ago +2 / -0

Allah is not God. Its a common misconception that even Muslims fall for because "Allah" translates to "god", and Arab Christians use "Allah" to refer to the Christian God. However, this is due to a linguistical error. Allah is in fact a demon, possibly Satan himself. His worship is centered around a massive black cube which encloses some sort of meteorite.

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sunshinenationalist 1 point ago +1 / -0

Exactly u/TakenusernameA how can the God of the bible be the "Greatest Deceiver of all."

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Removmudrace 1 point ago +1 / -0

Visual Chart: Family Tree of the Bible

https://consumeproduct.win/p/15IEqfB7KC/family-tree-of-the-bible/c/

Ishmael is left of center.

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Supermatmike 1 point ago +3 / -2

Muslims fuck goats and little girls they take as wives. do not let the fact that they stone gays and hate the jews blind you to the fact islam is a system set up by satan himself.

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sunshinenationalist 1 point ago +2 / -1

Eh I highly doubt God made Islam, in Galatians, Paul warned of listening to an Angel that preaches a new gospel. For in the world "There is nothing new under the sun besides the living Christ." The Prophet that would listen to the Angel preaching a different scripture will be cursed and his flock accursed.

Muhammad was indeed cursed and died from a curse. Also how can Islam be a counterweight against the NWO when they do not believe in the salvation of Christ? Why would God bring up the Ottomans to kill the Ismaelites?

Secondly, Islam never recognizes Jesus as the living 'Christ.' Hence they do not recognize him as a Messiah. Muhammad refers to Jesus of Nazareth as being a savior to the Jewish people racially. Islam does not have 'Anti-Christs.' Islam instead says that Jews practice witch craft and lies. Islam does not revere the Prophets of the Bible, it mainly surrounds the prophet Muhammad. And before you call me ignorant, it hardly even names most of the Old Testament Prophets to begin with, there is no mention of David or Samuel besides vague interpretations. In fact, Islam decanonizes more than half the Old Testament for being 'corrupt' for supporting the idea of a living Christ.

The second coming of Jesus in Islam is rather goofy it being Jesus proclaims himself a disciple of Muhammad, and converting all Christians to Islam, so that everyone goes to the salvation of the 72 virgins. It also doesn't really say that Christ kills the Anti Christ, it says that Christ will tear down the Cross and say to worship Allah. It also doesn't recognize that Christ will rule the world, says that God will.

Also you are completely wrong if you think the Ishmaelite nations have "successfully" resisted the poison of the West. I have only seen catastrophe since the "Arab Spring." Iraq is far too liberal, Syria is in utter calamity, Pakistan accepts Gay Rights, Saudi Arabia hardly follows the Quran and stays immensely Greedy with wealth, and essentially none of the Arab nations really give a flying shit about Palestine. If you believe that the Arab nations have successfully repealed degeneracy, you gotta get rid of the blindfold from your eyes.

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Firesky [S] 1 point ago +2 / -1

The second coming of Jesus in Islam is rather goofy it being Jesus proclaims himself a disciple of Muhammad, and converting all Christians to Islam, so that everyone goes to the salvation of the 72 virgins. It also doesn't really say that Christ kills the Anti Christ, it says that Christ will tear down the Cross and say to worship Allah. It also doesn't recognize that Christ will rule the world, says that God will.

  • Islam most certainly teaches of the coming antichrist -- known as the "dajjal" in Arabic -- who will claim to be a prophet and then God himself.
  • Islamic prophecies do say that Jesus will kill the antichrist -- in a very specific city that's near Tel Aviv.
  • Jesus is said to break the cross but it can simply mean he does it because there's no need for it anymore.
  • And yes, according to Islamic prophecies, Jesus does rule the world during the end times.

Islam does not revere the Prophets of the Bible, it mainly surrounds the prophet Muhammad. And before you call me ignorant, it hardly even names most of the Old Testament Prophets to begin with, there is no mention of David or Samuel besides vague interpretations.

David is most certainly in the Quran.

Several Old Testament figures are spoken of in the Quran -- Adam, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Aaron, David, Solomon, Ezra, Job, Jonah, Lot, Elijah, Elisha.

Also you are completely wrong if you think the Ishmaelite nations have "successfully" resisted the poison of the West.

I said they're successfully resisting the poisonous fruits of godless modernity.-- not "the poison of the West".

I'm not saying their countries are not paradises on earth, but they're at least doing the BARE MINIMUM by not giving queers the "right"to parade or marry and satanists the "freedom" to blaspheme and install statues in public.

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sunshinenationalist 1 point ago +1 / -0

David is vaguely mentioned in the Quran, the Quran speeds through the entire Old Testament. These Islamic nations are not brought up by God as the Pajeet Slave religion is not brought up by God. The Arab nations are already subverted whether it be peacefully or by force. Even in Saudi Arabia they are setting up temples for 'irreligious' societies. It's only a matter of time before the Arab world gets cucked and even if it doesn't, it will be colonized by the Joos.

Using that logic, China was brought up by God because it detests Homos and kills Fags. But China hates all religions and wishes for vain materialism upon itself.

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Firesky [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

These Islamic nations are not brought up by God

Islam could not have emerged and become a large empire (after taking over Christian territory) AGAINST God's will. It can't be that God wanted to prevent Islam from spreading but was unable to, right?

So any way you look at it, Islam exists because God raised it up Himself. If you have a theory as to why God allowed the Ishmaelites to take over Christian lands in the Middle East and North Africa, let's hear it.

As for the Islamic nations, they're not perfect. I never said that. But the fact that they have zero tolerance for LGBTism, satanism, atheism etc PLUS the fact that you can openly name the Jew and question the holocaust without losing your career tells me they are NOT subverted by the Jews -- at least as of now.

As for the Chinese. They simply do what's best for their society from a common sense POV. But they are AFAIK not considered a Biblical nation so they're not relevant to this thread.

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Firesky [S] 1 point ago +3 / -2

ADDITIONAL MATERIAL

1. Common arguments against Ishmael

  1. "Ishmael was merely the son of Abraham's wife's servant"
  • then the same applies to Dan, Naphtali, Gad and Asher -- 4 sons of Jacob who were born of the servants of his 2 wives.
  • Ishmael is counted as the son of Abraham. (1Chronicles 1:28, Genesis 17:23)
  1. "Isaac was chosen"
  • Yes. But that has no bearing on the fact that Ishmael is Abraham's son. Abraham was to be the "father of MANY nations". That is fulfilled only if we were to count the nations from Abraham's other wives -- which includes Ishmael.
  1. " Ishmael is described as a donkey"
  • So is Issachar, a son of Jacob. (Genesis 49:4)
  • Dan, another son of Jacob, is called a "snake" (Genesis 49:17)
  • Benjamin, yet another son of Jacob, is called a "ravenous wolf" (Genesis 49:27)
  • we read that those terms are actually blessings (Genesis 49:28)

2. Explanation of Daniel 2

The kingdoms of Daniel 2 appear one after another. Yet, some people arbitrarily assume there is a gap between the iron kingdom and the iron+clay kingdom because they want the prophecy to fit their idea that the "kingdom of God" can only appear in the distant future when Jesus returns. The passage plainly tells us that the kingdom was established at the time of the iron+clay kingdom.

So which is the iron+clay kingdom? Which is the kingdom set up by God? Let's find out.

If pagan Rome is the kingdom of iron then it follows that the iron+clay that appeared appeared after it was the "Christian" Roman empire founded by Constantine. I am confident of it because Daniel said the foot had the strength of the iron (Roman) empire, i.e., the Christian Roman empire was a continuation of the previous pagan Roman empire.

So keeping that in mind, let's look at the prophecy again: the "rock" (representing the kingdom set up God) that struck the foot of the statue. In other words, the kingdom of God waged war against the iron-clay kingdom (the Byzantines), prevailed, and eventually took over their capital.

The "rock", or the kingdom established by God (or the "kingdom of heaven" predicted by Jesus) is a RELIGIOUS kingdom. It starts off small and then slowly grows to cover the entire earth.

But the rock that struck the statue became a huge mountain and filled the whole earth. (Daniel 2:35)

In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever (Daniel 2:44)

The kingdom I'm taking about didn't merely seize territory, rule for a while and then disappear like so many other kingdoms and empires. With the exception of Spain, the "kingdom" still exists in all the places it conquered since it first emerged.

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sunshinenationalist 0 points ago +1 / -1

Islam lacks an answer on what happened in the Garden of Eden, should tell you everything. Also dude lay off the meds, even the Arabs believe the Rock is God's wrath/Kingdom. God is referred to as the Rock multiple times throughout the bible. By Daniel, David, Solomon, Peter, Paul, Christ, etc.