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PraiseBeToScience 13 points ago +14 / -1

I understand why it exists, because the manufacturer doesn't want to deal with the headache of distribution, but sometimes I do wish 'distribution' was MUCH more regulated by the government. That entire "middleman" system is basically just a license to artificially manipulate markets and rip everyone off and there's nothing they can do. What are you going to do? Start your own distributor? And who is going to give you lumber? The all of three sawmill companies that exist, that are locked into billion dollar contracts, and won't give a fuck as long as the distributor keeps fronting the cash?

Here's an example.

If anyone wants to know - and I can provide literal actual receipts - the cost of an FN-branded M4 carbine is... ready?


That's literally the dollar figure the government pays for them from FN. And that means FN is pulling a profit on them.

The exact same carbine that doesn't get to a gunshop for civilian sale with a pricetag any lower than 4 figures.

FN makes a gun for $100. Sells it to their middleman distributor like Lipseys for $600. They sell it to a gun shop for $950. Gun shop sells it to you for $1050.

Somehow $900 of 'value' magically appeared throughout that chain for a fucking piece of steel and aluminum that costs FN nothing to build.

Isolated_Patriot 2 points ago +2 / -0

but sometimes I do wish 'distribution' was MUCH more regulated by the government.

But it is, in many cases a third party distributor is required by the government. It's actually a pretty convoluted mess that makes market manipulation a reality, all in the name of "preventing a monopoly."

DavidColeIntrepid -7 points ago +4 / -11

You commies can't do math.

80960KA 10 points ago +14 / -4

Retards that think any criticism of "capitalism" is "commie" deserve to get raped at every turn by big-nosed middlemen that add zero value to the transaction.

DavidColeIntrepid -11 points ago +4 / -15

costs FN nothing to build.

Any criticism of "capitalism" IS absolutely communist. child raping bolshevik jew communist.

You have no idea what the fuck you're talking about, tovarich. Open a fucking history book, you triggered little faggot. Or an economics book. Or how about you learn to fucking read? Start there, dumbass.

FinalFantasyNerd 6 points ago +6 / -0

There's almost nothing capitalist about the American economic system, it's an oligarchy with strict controls placed on it by the privileged elite.

Criticisms of the American system are not remotely criticisms of capitalism.

80960KA 3 points ago +7 / -4

American capitalism is like 90% usury driven and you're calling people the J word when they bring it up.

What a fucking joke you are.

DavidColeIntrepid -4 points ago +2 / -6

"the j word"

What a fucking joke you are.

No, U

American capitalism is like 90% usury

You really have no fucking idea what you're talking about, kid. Get out of your fat ass momma's basement and maybe you'll get an idea of how finances work.

80960KA 3 points ago +4 / -1

You might be the biggest retard on this site.

DavidColeIntrepid -2 points ago +2 / -4

Because I think companies make products for literally nothing. Just "poof" right out of a genis asshole. Nothing costs money, ever.

ThebigLMAOski17 3 points ago +6 / -3

Here's the problem with shit like this.

truck driver sees "lumber stacked a mile high", see's plywood prices are insane, then says "how can plywood be so expensive if there is so much lumber sitting around... it's a conspiracy.

the reality is there is tons of stick lumber sitting around, but stick lumber is worthless without sheet lumber. you can't frame a house in without both.

if people can't get the sheet wood, they don't buy the stick wood.

MOCKxTHExCROSS 4 points ago +4 / -0

Not true, planning a post frame house and there isn't a sheet of OSB or ply in the whole thing.

ThebigLMAOski17 1 point ago +2 / -1

Post as in timber frame?

Yeah thats like saying there isn't any pizza in my ice cream.

No shit.

But traditional stick built homes use tons of sheetwood to not only enclose the structure and floor each interior deck, but to stabilize it and prevent it from racking.

But you already knew that right?

MOCKxTHExCROSS 3 points ago +3 / -0

Post frame like a Morton or Lester pole building. Steel outer panels instead of sheet wood and siding.

ThebigLMAOski17 1 point ago +1 / -0

yeah, you must know that this isn't typical home construction right? lol

and even in pole building converts (barndominiums) you still need sheet wood for 2nd floors or mezzanine.

and if you're building it to live in you should start the roof with sheetwood then go over that with a metal roof.

MOCKxTHExCROSS 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yeah I'm aware of that, found a county and lot where it is ok.

Planning on doing standard metal roof with no sheetwood. Don't mind the rain sound.

ThebigLMAOski17 2 points ago +2 / -0

You better put up one hell of a moisture barrier, the rain isn't the only worry... even if you seal it perfectly, the condensation will make you think it's raining inside.

put up your metal, spray it with closed cell, then before you metal in your ceiling go with some thick plastic and be sure to double tape the seams if there are any.

check this guy out if you have time, he's really good at what he does


in particular this video: https://youtu.be/mQLI1URbex0

MOCKxTHExCROSS 2 points ago +2 / -0

There will be an uninsulated and vented attic and the roof panels will have an anti-condensate coating applied on the bottom.

I've seen all the RR buildings videos, lots of good tricks.

Not planning on using spray foam. Not diy friendly and want a more deliberate vapor barrier. Planning on rockwool-type insulation in the walls with a outer wrb and inner vapor barrier.

Will be making a video where the entire design is reviewed. Can send it to you when complete.

PraiseBeToScience 3 points ago +4 / -1

That doesn't make sense. If people couldn't get sheet wood then there wouldn't be any sheet wood to be found, it'd be flying off the shelves. If they couldn't get stick wood and thus weren't buying sheets, then the prices on sheet wood should be near-zero because there's too much inventory sitting around.

If he's to be believed, then there's shitoads sitting around AND the price is outrageous.

ThebigLMAOski17 5 points ago +6 / -1

Notice he didn't say "i've seen stacks of PLYWOOD", he said LUMBER.

Plywood is in short supply... not just from covid related work shortages here in the states... most of our sheet wood comes in from canada... and the lockdowns there were far more authoritarian and restrictive.

this led to a supply issue.

there is also a massive spike in demand as people flee the cities from radical leftist domestic terrorists and tyrants... and as bored covid lockdown victims decide to do some DIY home remodel ("can't spend on movies or dinner or a concert, lets make a she-shed instead to isolate mommy from our isolation").

not to mention all the board-ups needed after cities (ran by tyrants) allowed a bunch of domestic terrorists to pillage major cities.

bottom line is there is a multitude of reasons plywood is indeed selling like mad whenever it comes in,even at stupid high prices, and why everyone involved in the plywood mfg process is making a ton of money.

the sheetwood mfg's can't make shit any faster, they're running full tilt. their only option is to invest a ton of money into expanding their existing mfg capacity by building more factories, hiring more workforce...

however they know that there's no way they can sustain that growth once the boom is over...

so, they are just gonna keep rolling in the cash. they make as much as they can, pay their employees a bunch of overtime... everyone on their side is happy as can be.

while we all suffer.

there isn't mountains of plywood sitting anywhere, there is mountains of stick lumber. when the supply of sheetwood catches up the lumber manufacturers are ready to turn all that stick lumber into cash... it's banked money. they are going to keep stacking it and claim losses till they are able to move it all again then claim huge gains.

MO-Carpenter 6 points ago +6 / -0

I work in construction there is absolutely market manipulation going on related to construction materials. It may be a conspiracy or it may be a bunch of people independently price gouging during a “crisis”. Regardless there is artificial market manipulation.

ThebigLMAOski17 1 point ago +2 / -1

There is a ton of cross price jacking going on, all these other players want to get in on the action...

They figure if people are already going to spend way more on the plywood they will probably be willing to pay way more for other things as well.

The only non-artificial hike is plastics, most of our plastics come from texas oil refineries and there was a huge shortage and demand spike from that deep freeze.

Plant damage stopped production of the raw materials and then local demand for plastic plumbing ate up the supply when they started making plastics again.

Thats been a while ago, so prices should start coming back down, but a few months back thats why plastic plumbing went up so high.

JesusChristLives [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

Take him for what he's worth.

OriginalDuck 1 point ago +2 / -1

BS. The well known problem is the supply chain, aka truckers. farms are dumping milk because of the trucking industry.

ABrainDisease 3 points ago +3 / -0

Maybe if the dairy industry wasnt propped up by the EBT program, it could better compete with producers able to pay extra when demand for shipping is high.

Kckroosian 1 point ago +1 / -0

I think it was the uneducated economist on YouTube also has some good videos on this topic.

sep11insidejob 1 point ago +1 / -0


OriginalDuck -2 points ago +2 / -4

That's BS. The reason lumber prices are so high is because of truckers like him who are charging a stupid amount of money to move the lumber. If you get the lumber from the producer, you know actual tree farms and OSB makers, you'll find the prices aren't that bad. -edit- this is also the reason why you are seeing food prices go up. It's not because of producers. They are having to throw away potato and dump milk. It's because of truckers like this guy.

ArcaneSlang 4 points ago +4 / -0

So this guy owns his truck and sets his prices, like all truckers do? This is is more complicated than blaming a guy who drives a truck. However, this trucker is wrong. There is a litany of reasons why costs are being driven up. These mills also have contractual obligations to supply lumber. In addition to labor shortages including truck drivers. Beside, all the wood went to toilet paper:)

ABrainDisease 2 points ago +2 / -0

Most truckers arent independent contractors.