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CnnWillBlackmailYou 26 points ago +26 / -0

In what world is this "normal?" People get flu vaccines ALL THE TIME with none of these reactions. You gonna tell me that nobody has ever had the flu before?

KekistanPM 29 points ago +29 / -0

Last time I got a flu vaccine, my reaction was getting the flu. And that makes sense to normies because "without the vaccine it could have been worse." Well without the shot I COULD have just not gotten sick at all.

RockFlagAndEagle2020 17 points ago +17 / -0

100% this. The flu vaccine just makes me hyper sensitive to the flu. Ever since I stopped getting those dumb shots I've never gotten the flu again. I bet these shots make people more sensitive to covid that way more people can die so they can keep these lock downs going on.

gustodog 6 points ago +6 / -0

I've never had a flu shot and have gotten the flu a couple of times but it wasn't a big deal. I'd rather let my immune system sort things out than put weird shit in my bloodstream.

RageQuit 1 point ago +3 / -2

On average, you are only going to get the flu once every 10 years.

RockFlagAndEagle2020 3 points ago +3 / -0

That's an impossible claim to make. I think most people who get the flu never even go to the doctor they just get over it. This data would be completely lost.

Statistics are beyond easy to manipulate and lie with - that's why they are used so much when you have to sell an idea.

Mark4-39 1 point ago +1 / -0

Statisticians calculate this stuff all the time based on how many ppl catch various pathogens and how many don't go to the doctor at all or until much later. Lyme disease is a prime example.

Not 100% accurate, but within strong confidence intervals. But yes, stats can be misrepresented easily. Just saying don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Not all scientists are cabal sheep.

RockFlagAndEagle2020 2 points ago +2 / -0

Stats thrown around in news articles are mostly bullshit. Real studies are long boring to read and even harder to ensure a lack of bias and proper testing methodologies are followed. These studies are full of nuance and I highly doubt a journalist these days has the time, interest or autonomy to report complex data in a truthful and accurate way.

Mark4-39 1 point ago +1 / -0

Oh, I dont read news articles lol... I read the long boring journal publications. They're not that complicated when you get the basics down. I always read the abstract first, then skim methods, then discussion. Then results, conclusions, and then intro. Then read it start to finish if the abstract or discussion don't bore me.

Abstract gives a general overview, and discussion should always tell you where they fell short. If it doesn't suck, then the rest of the paper is generally worth the time. If the methods are acceptable in the field, then the results may be reliable. Conclusions are where you find out if their logic is sound and why the data even matters (discussion usually indicates this ahead of time). The intro is formality for the uninitiated and can be boring if you don't care for the history of the project or already know the state of the field.

Fun fact - there's a journal entirely devoted to stats fuckups. Its boring AF. But funny and to your point that proper method and nuances need to be paid attention to carefully. Not everything is a students t test 🙄

CnnWillBlackmailYou 11 points ago +11 / -0

Exactly. And the whole "it would be worse without the vaccine" isn't how this shit works at all.

Gottkaiser 5 points ago +5 / -0

I've never once had a flu vaccine and I haven't had the flu in over 25 years.

justicein2020 3 points ago +3 / -0

Same. no flu shots. only ever got the flu when i was younger and being stupid. alcohol, drugs, partying, too much work, not enough sleep, not eating well.

cut that shit out and i'm fine every year when the flu comes around and everyone else gets sick.

MO-Carpenter 2 points ago +2 / -0

This exact thing happened to me. I am rarely sick (don’t tell my ex bosses) but 4 years ago the doctor talked me into my one and only ever Flu Shot. I get the flu like once every 5 years or less. The year I got the flu shot was the worst flu I’ve ever experienced.

I tried it once and never again. No more Flu shot for me.

jc99ta 6 points ago +6 / -0

Clown World. In Clown World this is perfectly normal.

donjongun 9 points ago +9 / -0

Forgive me, as it's been a while since I've even gotten a shot (I know, total loser for relying on my God-given immune system), but are side effects like this even commonplace in other vaccines? All I remember is getting a sore arm for a day.

clemaneuverers [S] 14 points ago +14 / -0

The cytokine storm was noted in prior-to-covid-19 tests of mRNA shots in ferrets. It's unique to the mRNA shots as far as I know. The ferrets had no immediate reactions to the shots, but subsquently caught fairly normal colds that caused cyckine storm and killed them. This all happened before anyone ever heard of covid-19. New animal tests for the current covid-19 mRNA shots have so far not been conducted, at least according to public knowledge.

nautica 5 points ago +5 / -0

but now even better: human tests.

donjongun 3 points ago +3 / -0

(remembers that no one in my family got the covid vaccine) That's pretty epic...

ApexVeritas 3 points ago +3 / -0

I'm sure most of y'all here know that the string pullers use shills and AI comment bots to manipulate people with what they're reading. Reddit is a prime example. I've read numerous comments from "people" on Reddit in the curated posts that specifically mentioned "cytokine storm(s)". It looks like they've known this for a while and have been trying to get in front of it via manipulation.

ApexVeritas 9 points ago +9 / -0

It's hard to know because vaccine injuries, names, health details, court info, and potential rewards for damages are all intentionally kept hidden, most people aren't told that this stuff can be caused by vaccine injury, and talking about it is being manipulated, censored, and suppressed.

I would imagine these kinds of reaction symptoms do take place with other vaccines, but to a lesser extent based on word of mouth.

RockFlagAndEagle2020 10 points ago +10 / -0

I'm convinced HIPPA laws are there to protect drug companies and nothing else. HIPPA makes studying drug interactions with the population damn near impossible.

Mark4-39 2 points ago +2 / -0

Cytokine storm was thought to have contributed to the 1918 flu pandemic. Coincidentally (?), all the GIs were also force vaccinated. Cytokine storm is also more likely in younger ppl with strong immune systems. IL-6 is a double edge sword.

Fun read:


donjongun 2 points ago +2 / -0

I see we're using the word "fun" very loosely here

Mark4-39 2 points ago +2 / -0

Its fun if you're into immunology?

Mrexreturns 8 points ago +9 / -1

Covid is literally just FABRICATED at a 60% rate. They want 0 cases for 2 weeks and it is completely impossible because the cases are being fabricated.

2 weeks will turn into 3 decades or longer until the evolution of humanity can begin. And the evolution will go unopposed. People will murder and eat their own for the sake of murdering and eating their own.

KekistanPM 11 points ago +11 / -0

I took a peek at my city's reddit board just to see the response to Texas blocking covid passports. Someone (maybe a bot) has been making a daily Covid megathread with a whole paragraph for the thread name. In the paragraph was, in big bold letters, "...0 NEW CASES SINCE YESTERDAY."

I thought "That good news! Wonder how the community is taking it..." and I made the mistake of reading the comments. Sure enough, people are still masturbating over getting their vaccine, anti-vaxxers are still selfish nazi superspreaders who should be rounded up and/or shot, and anyone not on board the hype train got downvoted.

Maybe if I had spent more time on that board, I could have found the "Here's my story of how I totally nailed an anti-vaxxer, and everyone in the room clapped. EDIT: Thanks for all the reddit gold and awards!!!" anecdote.

PrecisionStrike 4 points ago +4 / -0

If people not getting the vaccine can't get you sick, why do you care?

If people not getting the vaccine can get you sick, then the gene vaccine doesn't work and is worthless.

Either way, there's no rational reason for vaccine passports.

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Mrexreturns 2 points ago +3 / -1


Mouse Utopia Experiment - searching Behavioral Sink or Mouse Utopia on basically anywhere yields the same things.

We are still animals no matter what. If whole groups of Mice can be engineered to this behavior, why can't human beings too?

try4gain 5 points ago +6 / -1

Dont believe everything you read on the internet.

"Heart racing faster than when I run"

"Heart rate 140ish"

You can hit 120 doing casual exercise. This guy claiming his HR doesnt hit 140 during runs.

[x] Doubt

signed : someone who exercises and takes their HR constantly.

Spicy_maymay 1 point ago +2 / -1

It depends on your aerobic fitness and RHR. Back when I was in the RA with 42-45 bpm resting, I only hit about 100-120 when doing a 4-5 mile run at 7-8 mins/mile. Could probably get up above 200 while doing 30/60's but sprints are different than running for endurance training.

Undernourish 4 points ago +4 / -0

Propylene Glycol may be the cure for the cytokine storm. It may be the cure for the common cold. Have tried it on early cold/flu/covid(?) symptoms 27 times in the past year. Symptoms disappear in an hour, virus seems to be shed next morning. Anecdotal experience similar to what is described below:


It takes about an hour for symptoms to basically stop. Then I'm tired and need a nap. Post nap usually notice the sweats and "I just got over a cold"-energy.



Note that the above is a pro vaping article.

There's more info out there. Note that propylene glycol isn't antifreeze, it's just used in antifreeze because it has useful properties with regards to maintaining temperature and moisture.

MrEvangelon1 1 point ago +1 / -0

Interesting hypothesis.

There was an article I read stating nicotine has a similar result as the vaping article you shared.

MrEvangelon1 1 point ago +1 / -0

Please explain the "cytokine storm".

Is it similar to getting the flu shot and feeling like the body is rejecting the shot?

clemaneuverers [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

It's not something that occurs just after the shot, but later when your immune system is triggered by something. Immune response goes into overdrive, is a very simplified way of explaining it. It killed ferrets in tests after they had the mrna shots and later caught colds.

Undernourish 1 point ago +1 / -0

This is correct. Think of a giant hurricane centered around your throat. All the infection in your nasal cavities, your throat, your lungs, even up from your stomach feeds on itself. The fear is that the vaccine will increase the reaction to all of these problems (even if only a minor cold) as your immune system is sent into overdrive to fight something it doesn't need to necessarily freak out over, especially if you are young.

Then your lungs melt.

Tryan 1 point ago +1 / -0

Signed,, Just one more dummyRat.

Caesah 1 point ago +1 / -0

I think that's the point. I might have had the WuFlu and not noticed, I had something which effected my breathing last April and didn't really care.

Doing high intensity exercises at the gym with a recent mask "mandate", felt like smoking a pack of cigarettes, and I actually felt notable soreness for the first time in years.

Seruna_Kanus 1 point ago +1 / -0

I had a double whammy in January 2020, flu and/or cold twice in one month. rarely got sick enough that I physically couldn't work(back when I worked at crud restaurants that would still require you to work if you had the flu) and that january had me down twice (granted I also worked at a place where if you were sick they wouldn't let you work until you were better, and you needed a doctor's statement that you were safe to work to go back if you wanted to get back to work early.)