I'll start with another one for today:
The desire of vengeance. Its ethical rating depends upon the quality of the vengeance and the quantity of the passion. When these are in conformity with the prescriptions of balanced reason, anger is not a sin. It is rather a praiseworthy thing and justifiable with a proper zeal. It becomes sinful when it is sought to wreak vengeance upon one who has not deserved it, or to a greater extent than it has been deserved, or in conflict with the dispositions of law, or from an improper motive. The sin is then in a general sense mortal as being opposed to justice and charity. It may, however, be venial because the punishment aimed at is but a trifling one or because of lack of full deliberation. Likewise, anger is sinful when there is an undue vehemence in the passion itself, whether inwardly or outwardly. Ordinarily it is then accounted a venial sin unless the excess be so great as to go counter seriously to the love of God or of one's neighbour.
Anger can lead to sins of the tongue or acts of violence, or when used well could be used to push a person to improve themselves or to resolve conflict in the world.
What do you think about anger (or wrath) and how to manage it virtuously so it doesn't become a vice?
What else should be said on this topic?
As I write this, the count is eleven. At this point, it isn't about how good these posts are; It seriously looks to the outsider like no one has posted here for more than a day!
May I suggest that regardless of the impressiveness of a post, that you sticky no more than three at a time (four at the most) so that the average joe can see at a glance that there is ongoing, recent activity on this subwin?
I'd suggest that the regular megathread summary of the week's significant posts is sufficient to highlight them, for folks who want to read them.
Father, Thank you for this day. Thank you for all the precious people you have brought together here! Give them all the gifts of the Spirit! Fill this place with more of your abundant life and love! Clear away any darkness or any evil spirit over any of our friends, family, or loved ones. We are washed clean by the Blood of Jesus! Give us health, provide for all of our needs! You watch over us like a mother hen and cover us in your wings. We cling to you in safety and feel a security nothing in the world can offer. Thank you Father for all of your love, mercy, grace, kindness... You give more to us than we can even list or imagine! Amen!
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- execute blasphemers (Leviticus 24:16)
- execute apostates (Deuteronomy 13:6-11)
- execute adulterers (Leviticus 20:10)
- execute fornicators (Deuteronomy 22:13-23)
- execute homosexuals (Leviticus 20:13)
- enslave the enemy (Deuteronomy 20:11)
- take the enemy's women and children captive (Deuteronomy 20:14)
- force captive women into marriage (Deuteronomy 21:10-14)
(hmmm sounds like that other religion from the middle east, doesn't it?)
I've heard people explain it away saying it's all the old testament and that God changed His mind when the new covenant happened. But that's not a good argument because it implies that God's justice evolved with time: from "chop off heads" to "love your enemy".
Revelation 20 KJV1611
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
All credit to u/Allas8/ for the inspiration of this post. It has always been a question in my mind about what it means, now it's time to focus on it. First of all, how can you suffer eternal damnation if you die of the flesh and then of the soul? What would be left to suffer? Secondly, if this is taken literally, all elect are considered the same in the eyes of God, whether you suffered, were beheaded or you died in your sleep. As long as the beast doesn't mark you, as God does His believers, you live forever. But that also means that sinners die for good, permanently. The rest of the dead are judged, presumably by what Jesus reads in their hearts, the wheat receiving life eternal, the chaff receive nothingness.
I commented earlier that maybe the first death is of the old man, with the new man being born again in Christ. The death of your flesh would hold no power over you, you just live on, in Paradise. But that would mean, taken with a literal reading of the scripture, that the elect, professing their faith in Christ, are the first Resurrection. And you do not die to be a part of this Resurrection. Profound thoughts. Christ is the Redeemer. The scripture clearly states that people are dead in their sins.
To me rock and modern music seems "problematic" - some of the lyrics are overtly offensive, or certain rock musicians have engaged in occult practices.
The steady rhythm and dancing has been thought to be worldly and indecent, of some songs and accompanying dance.
The musical culture at times promotes drugs and other bad things.
The "roll" part of "Rock n' roll" originally was a reference to fornication, I believe - dancing to rock music, then engaging in sin.
In contrast there are classical musics, maybe folk and traditional sounds that don't have these characteristics, along with religious music itself.
What do you think about some of these musical topics and what else should be discussed about them?
Personally I think he wanted to see what ideas humans would come up with and add the ones he approved of to Heaven
"Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only." James 2:24
Let's look at the verses that led to this "conclusion".
James 2:21 [This is the Greek order of words for this verse]:
"Abraham, the father of us, not by works was justified having offered Issac the son."
Abraham was not justified by works.
We understand this to be so:
Galatians 2:16a, KJV: "Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law...
Now, James 2:22-23 [Greek order]
"You see that [his] believing was working with the works of him and by [his] works his believing was perfected."
"And was fulfilled the scripture saying, Believed then Abraham God and it was counted to him for righteousness, and a friend of God he was called."
We understand this to be so:
Romans 4 KJV
3 "For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith [believing] is counted for righteousness."
Now, focus on James 2:22 >> Abraham's believing was working with (synergei) the works of him.
And by his works ['that were according to his believing'] his believing was perfected [matured]."
Now, James 2:24
"You see that by works is justified a man and not by faith [believing] alone."
Works and believing in a synergy. Works are the manifestation of believing. And those works build one's believing.
Romans 10:9-10 KJV
"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."
"Knowing that a man is not justified by works of the law,"
but by the faith of Jesus Christ,
we also have believed in Jesus Christ,
that we might be justified by the faith of Christ,[the new birth, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory]
and not by the works of the law:
for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Heavenly Father we love you so much. Thank you for this beautiful day full of blessings and challenges. They both are used to mold us into the beacons of light that you created us to be. Fill each of our hearts with your love and light so we may in return pass it on to the world. Teach us to be patient with others as they go thru there battles against their inner demons. Teach us to dance in the rain during the storm and to lean on you with our whole heart and soul. We are weak and hopeless alone, but united thru your spirit we can rise up as warriors of truth and light. Give us wisdom and understanding of what you want from us, and stregthen us so rhat we may bring glory to your name. Remove the blinders from those that cannot see, and put it in there hearts that you and only you are the way forward. Humble our hearts and minds so we no longer lean on our own understanding, rather we see your divine hand in all the chaos. The old ways are dying out and a bright beautiful tomorrow is on the horizon. Thank you for this beautiful family that is being brought together. We all have our own uniqueness and beauty. We are forever yours Father. Amen
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"these twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: "Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans" (Matthew 10:5)
If you were a Samaritan or a gentile living back then and the disciples, following Jesus' instruction, avoided you... and you died before hearing the gospel, and not having a chance to either accept or reject it, would you have ended up in hell?
Hello, I'm currently stuck between the LCMS and Orthodox Church in terms of which church I would like to regularly attend every Sunday.
While a disciple of Christ, I think organized religion should be as small scale as possible and dedicated completely to following the doctrines of Christ and sharing life in Him. As different as they are, I have found the most peace in my local LCMS church and my local Greek Orthodox church.
Their doctrines vary, but from their own points of view, they are following Christ. I'll read many arguments in favor of Confessional Lutheranism and against Orthodox and be sold, but then I'll read arguments in favor of Orthodoxy and I'll be back to square one. The problem is there is so much we don't KNOW about the past. I've seen Early Church Father quotes in support of and against praying to Saints, for example.
One of the things that bugs me about the LCMS is how divided the denomination is. The churches range in their balance between tradition and contemporariness. (And also, politics). I'm a traditionalist, not because I believe it is the only right way to worship, but because I just find it the most beautiful way to express my love for God. (Plus, I do not like most contemporary worship songs. Among other things, some songs' lyrics say something we shouldn't be saying.) Also, the liberal LCMS pastors I've met seem likelier to virtue signal during their sermon than the liberal Orthodox priests are.
One of the things that bugs me about the Orthodox Church (at least the Greek Orthodox Church, which is where I have been visiting, but also can be seen in other Orthodox Churches) is how "big government" it is compared to the LCMS and most other denominations. There's a hierarchy. I know the Archbishops aren't infallible, but as an example of my concern, recently the Archbishop of the Greek Orthodox Church in America received the "vaccine" and said we have a "moral obligation" to make these available around the world. Can I not be Orthodox if I disagree with him? I've seen other Orthodox Christians and churches disagree with him. The LCMS at least said "We do not have a position on the vaccines at this time."
Perhaps this is a sinful point: The Orthodox church near me is more active than any of the LCMS parishes. They have more social events, and I'm trying to make new friends. However, this is not a theological or important point, but rather something I care about because I am sinful and imperfect. I must not let it drive my decisions, but may be why I am still considering Orthodoxy.
Anyway, I'm not sure what I'm asking for by writing this. Just thought I'd share, because I don't have many others to talk to besides my local pastors/priests. I could keep attending both churches, but I feel dishonest doing that.
(For kicks, I also checked out a big nondenominational megachurch near me, but it was not my thing. More power to you if you are most able to worship God and love others there, though.)
Archbishop receiving the vaccine: https://www.goarch.org/-/he-vaccination LCMS Statement on vaccine: https://files.lcms.org/wl/?id=uAzxHzE5YwadsTdVePS8cLWxAvHqFuwP
These thoughts occurred to me while watching this video https://communities.win/p/12j08QI1NH/wranglestar-its-time-to-defund-t/c/ of the homeschooler frustrated that churches care more about their 501c3 status than Christian eductation.
So, faith alone, first lets dispense with the knee jerk reactions in its favor, biblically. Paul in Romans and Galatians is speaking of nothing different than Acts 15. One is justified for conversion to Christianity by faith and profession of faith in Christ, not by getting circumcized of keeping the sabbath, as was agreed in Acts 15. Paul, for some strange reason wants to reinvent the wheel and argue this point over and over with his own weird arguments rather than just present the letters that the church at Jerusalem sent out per Acts 15, and that is all that's going on there.
So moving beyond the biblical meaning to what people mean today.
Today's faith alone is to me no different than the Buddhist who says "I believe in Buddha" and then drinks a beer and does whatever he wants, or the Muslim who says "I believe in Mohammed" and goes to the club to pickup sluts. Faith alone, just because your faith alone is in Christ putatively, does not sanctify it any more. "Ah, but my faith alone is in the Trinity." I guess you deserve a cookie then.
Faith alone, how does it differ from membership alone? It merely means "I am part of the group that believes this." But are you the bad apple in that group? or are you a good member of that group?
Now how this ties to the video linked above is this: Here is a man who cares to educate his children in a Christian way rather than the vile secular education of today. But why? He has not (at least here) aquiesed in the faith alone attitude of modernity. Because if he had, he would say that it doesn't matter, that how one lives doesn't matter so long as they profess belief in Christ, and therefore if his children grow up to be sluts or homos or murderers or whatever, its ok, because faith alone, as long as they believe in Jesus then lifestyle doesn't matter.
Now he may technically belong to a faith alone church, but he has not fallen completely to the modern faith alone mentality. And this is important, for the faith alone mentality (the modern one, not the biblical idea that circumcision and sabbath keeping is not necessary to become a Christian) is a Satanic mindset that sets itself against God; it is the carnal mind of which Paul says it cannot please God nor be subject to his commandments!
Romans 8:7 KJV "7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be."
Indeed, this is the mind of faith alonists in the modern sense. When a commandment it brought up, like "thou shalt not commit adultery" their response invariably is, "Paul says we're justified by faith not works," or in other words "I can commit adultery and its ok." This is the carnal mind that makes one incapable of frienship with God.
I think the majority here have found plenty of bone to pick with the RCC (for both their modern and historical actions), and yet many of your traditions come directly from them, and your canon was selected by them, shortly after they executed any dissenters
Why trust them to be partially infallible? (I hope the irony of the statement is obvious)
If you’re here and don’t trust the RCC canon, why not and what do you think they’re missing?
"And that all this assembly may know that the Lord saves not with sword and spear. For the battle is the Lord's, and he will give you into our hand." (1 Samuel 17:47)
You are well aware how difficult these times are for Your children. Very different reason for each child, but all have in common that they all are in serious need of Your unconditional love. And where is weakness, there is opportunity for Your love to shine, there is opportunity for Your helping hand to reach us. Through our Lord Jesus, Your Son, we are the righteousness of God. Because of this all our sins are washed away at the cross and we can proclaim our inheritance. In Jesus name we can proclaim that the struggle we currently face is not our fight, for THE BATTLE IS THE LORD'S.
Please God help each of us and our loved ones to deal with their struggles.
Please God always remind us that all what we face is Your battle, not ours.
I love You Abba.
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A quote of a sermon by Pope Francis
“Even now, our Eucharistic celebrations are transforming the world to the extent that we are allowing ourselves to be transformed and to become bread broken for others.”
leads a Catholic commentator Tony B to proclaim
This evokes so much felt banners and Protestant songs. Truly nauseating - I am gagging...
This from a comment at https://novusordowatch.org/2021/06/greatness-god-piece-bread-francis-corpus-christi-2021/ where Novus Ordo Watch complains about a sermon Pope Francis gave on the eucharist.
My interest though is in the strange perception Catholics have of Protestants.
In my experience with Proteatantism (but admittedly I stay away from the crazy ones as mych as the power in me lies) I have never seen them understand communion as representing anything but Christ's death. No hint of it turning us into bread broken for others have I ever seen, nor of it transforming the world.
The error of seeing the communion as representing either "transforming the world" or "ourselves to be transformed and to become bread broken for others" is 100% a Catholic psychosis that could never occur in a Protestant church.
Yet the Trad Catholic says "puke, Francis is talking like a Protestant." And it is planly not so. Francis is talking exactly like a Catholic---Catholics are weirdos on the eucharist. If your entire religion were the eucharist and nothing else (except maybe Mary worship), you'd be a weirdo on it too, I suppose.
Now just because Francis is talking like a Catholic doesn't mean that he isn't spouting what is defined as heresy in the catechism---Catholics are frequently heretics against their own official teachings. But that's a different discussion, and I'm not so interested in it.
Do you know of any Protestant that would make statements like Francis made here? I do not. Except maybe for Francis Chan, but he is half way accross the Tiber already, so he probably got it from Pope Francis. Two Francises in a pod.
This Friday marks the 10th anniversary since their oldest son, my brother, passed away and I know he is weighing on their minds this week. I love them very much and would appreciate it if you guys could say a quick prayer for them to help them get through this week :')